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January 26, 2009, 04:10 |
y+ in a train surface
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Hi!!
I'm working with a train model and i wanted to prepare the grid in order to have a y+ close to the surface equal to 100 (because of other studies performed and capacity...) anyway, i know that the computation of the size cell should be like that: d/2=y=(y+·viscosity)/u_tao where u_tao is calculated as sqrt(Cf·u_infinity/2) my question is what is Cf and how to get this?? i know there are expressions depending of the flow (laminar or turbulent) but for a U_infinity=40 m/s which one should i use??? thanks in advance!!! Lottar |
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January 26, 2009, 04:57 |
Re: y+ in a train surface
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Hi Lottar
u+ and y+ non-dimensional forms are usually used for turbulent flows, with the definitions: u+ = u_mean/u_star y+ = y*u_star*rho/mue with wall friction velocity u_star = sqrt(tau/rho) and tau = mue*du/dy @ the wall (y=0) The link to the skin friction is: Cf = 2*tau/(rho*U^2) You should calculate also the Reynolds number (Re=rho*L*U/mue) to see what flow regime you have (laminar or turbulent). But as I mentioned at the beginning u+ and y+ values are mostly used for turbulent flows, so far as I know. Hope this helps! M. |
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January 26, 2009, 05:06 |
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Thanks Magellan!!
But in this case is difficult to know which is du/dy at y=0 and so on, so the best way to get y+ i found was with Cf=0.0588/Re^(1/5) since a turbulent boundary layer as u say will appear and the surface on the train could be considered as a flat plate... what do u think guys? cheers! |
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January 26, 2009, 07:25 |
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Hi Lottar,
Just make a coarse approximation, create a grid accordingly, perform a simulation and adjust your grid based on the computed and desired y+ values. |
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January 26, 2009, 17:14 |
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Ok, i'll try in this way...thanks Timon!
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