CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

Modeling flow in a high pressure piston pump

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   April 23, 2019, 11:45
Default Modeling flow in a high pressure piston pump
  #1
Senior Member
 
MAZI
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 103
Rep Power: 16
mazdak is on a distinguished road
Hello,

I'm trying to model liquid flow in a piston pump. When the piston pushes the flow out of the chamber, the suction is closed and when the piston reverses its motion, the suction is open. So, I use the following BCs:

first half of the cycle:
inlet (suction is closed) = wall
outlet (discharge is open) = pressure outlet (a very very high pressure)

second half:
inlet (suction is open) = pressure inlet (a very very low pressure)
outlet(discharge is closed) = wall

My questions:

1- When I run the case, at the moment when the discharge is opened, I get very high velocities in the domain like shock waves. This means that since the chamber was filled with a low pressure liquid, for the flow to overcome the very high pressure at the outlet, it needs to have a high velocity. Is this physical?

2- what happens if I treat the liquid as a compressible liquid?

3- What should I do for the following warnings: reverse flow and turbulence intensity set to 10E+05?

Sorry for the lengthy post.
mazdak is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 24, 2019, 02:21
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Hamid Zoka
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 282
Rep Power: 18
Hamidzoka is on a distinguished road
Hi;
It is impossible to pressurize a liquid just by a moving piston cause liquids are incompressible. What a piston pump (and also other kinds of pumps!) does is increasing kinetic energy of the liquid through a moving piston (or a rotating impeller). This increased kinetic energy may turn into pressure downstream the pump if necessary. An example would be a liquid being pumped to an elevated tank.
So, compressible models will not be helpful since the fluid will not experience any change in its density unlike a gas in a similar domain. This will only adds to complexities of your model.
Fluid velocity is expected to be function of downstream conditions, piston velocity and dimensions as well as chamber geometry. Why you think there must be a shock? what is the velocity levels? What about outlet boundary conditions? How is it set?
Maybe a schematic graph of your domain chan help.

Regards
Hamidzoka is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 24, 2019, 06:41
Default
  #3
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,768
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
As first approximation, you could try to understand what happens using the sound velocity of the liquid (higher than gas but a finite value) and start with the one-dimensional theory for omoentropic flows with a moving piston (see the book of Zucrow).

However, high velocity does not automatically implies a shock.
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 24, 2019, 12:56
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
MAZI
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 103
Rep Power: 16
mazdak is on a distinguished road
thanks for your reply.

As you can see, when the piston moves towards right to push the flow out of the chamber, non physical velocities appear. The way in which I'm modeling the
flow is by switching the BCs at the inlet and outlet.

piston moving towards right: inlet = wall; outlet = pressure outlet (10000 psi)
piston moving towards left: inlet = pressure inlet (100 psi); outlet = wall

the motion of the piston is sinusoidal modeled by dynamic mesh layering.

it's interesting that I have modeled the same thing in a 2d geometry almost identical to the 3d one and had no problem. The time step is 0.001 s.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Capture.jpg (64.9 KB, 22 views)
mazdak is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   April 24, 2019, 13:17
Default
  #5
Senior Member
 
MAZI
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 103
Rep Power: 16
mazdak is on a distinguished road
I have also added a picture of the mesh used.
Attached Images
File Type: png Capture-2.PNG (26.3 KB, 17 views)
mazdak is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
compressible liquid, dynamic mesh, reverse flow


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Reversed flow using pressure inlet and outlet? here_for_help FLUENT 0 September 28, 2018 15:20
pisoFOAM (LES) - internal pipe flow - convergence gu1 OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 0 January 11, 2018 16:39
Solid-liquid flow modeling in centrifugal pump impeller pankajkgupta CFX 2 March 30, 2017 10:08
Simulating high pressure burst flow jakjak CFX 2 November 21, 2007 21:06
what the result is negatif pressure at inlet chong chee nan FLUENT 0 December 29, 2001 05:13


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:28.