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tahtawy September 9, 2019 08:19

Boussinesq approximation
 
I am solving High Rayleigh natural convection problem ( air in square cavity whose vertical sides are heated and horizontal ones are adiabatic )
so do i consider gas an ideal gas or use Boussinesq approximation?
when Boussinesq approximation is used?
thank you

Carlo_P September 9, 2019 09:06

Hey Tahtawy.
In the Boussinesq approximation you consider the density function of the static temperature, also if normally it depends also on the pressure and the velocity.


So, if in your simulation there are small variations in pressure and small velocity, you can use the Boussinesq approximation.


Otherwise, no.


Cheers,
Carlo

FMDenaro September 9, 2019 11:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahtawy (Post 744233)
I am solving High Rayleigh natural convection problem ( air in square cavity whose vertical sides are heated and horizontal ones are adiabatic )
so do i consider gas an ideal gas or use Boussinesq approximation?
when Boussinesq approximation is used?
thank you




This model can be applied for small temperature difference

tahtawy September 9, 2019 13:52

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Originally Posted by FMDenaro (Post 744264)
This model can be applied for small temperature difference

by saying small , it is not specific
my case is 40 degree difference

tahtawy September 9, 2019 13:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlo_P (Post 744236)
Hey Tahtawy.
In the Boussinesq approximation you consider the density function of the static temperature, also if normally it depends also on the pressure and the velocity.


So, if in your simulation there are small variations in pressure and small velocity, you can use the Boussinesq approximation.


Otherwise, no.


Cheers,
Carlo



will bousinessq here will aid in converging the residual ?

FMDenaro September 9, 2019 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by tahtawy (Post 744271)
by saying small , it is not specific
my case is 40 degree difference


The approximation is based on a linear expansion. Just valid for few degree of variation, 40 is too much

Carlo_P September 10, 2019 02:46

Uhm...I don't agree to much..CFX Tutorial use this approxiamtion with a 70 degree of difference..

FMDenaro September 10, 2019 03:27

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlo_P (Post 744307)
Uhm...I don't agree to much..CFX Tutorial use this approxiamtion with a 70 degree of difference..


https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...1793101300820X

Carlo_P September 10, 2019 04:12

Hey FMDenaro, thanks to post that article!


Uhm..so maybe the CFX tutorials are not so trustable..


Thanks again,
Cheers,
Carlo

Moreza7 September 11, 2019 03:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Carlo_P (Post 744307)
Uhm...I don't agree to much..CFX Tutorial use this approxiamtion with a 70 degree of difference..

For 15 degrees difference for the air, it generates 1 percent of error. So, maybe for the air, 70 degrees difference may cause a small error and reasonable solution where the accuracy is not critical.
Its only valid for the air, for other fluids, it depends on the expansion factor at constant pressure. For example the error is much bigger for the water.


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