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MachZero July 5, 2020 13:38

Why am I seeing supersonic flow when pressure is below 10psig
 
I have a simulation where I have a stagnation tank that I pressurize to 10 psi above atmospheric. This stagnation tank is effectively a long tube. At one end it is closed and at the other it is open to atmosphere by a nozzle. The nozzle is a Converging diverging nozzle that’s very simple. I Initialize the simulation with 10 psi Inside the tube. When I run the simulation I get supersonic flow at Mach 1.2 in the nozzle. Shouldn’t this be inpossible since
My pressure isn’t high enough? Or is there some weird transient effect that could be casing this.

This is meant to represent a quick nozzle opening.

Gerry Kan July 5, 2020 15:58

Howdy:

Considering 1 atm = 14.7 psi, if the reservoir pressure is 10 + 14.7 psi and the flow is expanding to 1 atm, the pressure ratio is 0.595. This is pretty close to the sonic condition (0.571). Your Ma ~ 1.2 is due to the fact that your flow is not perfectly 1D, and there is a radial velocity profile. You can check the location of Ma=1 in your nozzle, which I suspect would be slightly downstream.

Gerry.

LuckyTran July 5, 2020 20:58

For real nozzles, the pressure ratio to achieve sonic conditions is around 1.2, much lower than the 1.8 that you get from 1D isentropic relations (or 0.8 vs 0.5 if you like to divide the other way). Meaning, it's well within the realm of possibility. =)

MachZero July 5, 2020 22:00

Thank you both for your posts

Gerry - I checked and my sonic flow is right at the throat. Certainly its not 1D as its a conical flow.

LuckyTran - I've never heard of this occurring at such a low pressure. Can you point me to any papers or text that show that this is possible?

MachZero July 20, 2020 14:56

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Bumping this post. Does anyone have any links to papers or text books that can confirm that one can achieve Mach 1.3 flow from 10PSI, or something similar. Just an odd concept for me that i don't fully understand and would like to understand better


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