CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

Do the length scale and velocity have to be orthogonal in Re

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By FMDenaro

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   February 13, 2023, 11:38
Default Do the length scale and velocity have to be orthogonal in Re
  #1
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2023
Posts: 63
Rep Power: 3
rdemyan is on a distinguished road
Does a Reynolds Number always have to be defined with a length scale and velocity that are orthogonal to one another? Could the length scale and velocity be parallel?
rdemyan is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 13, 2023, 12:20
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,764
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdemyan View Post
Does a Reynolds Number always have to be defined with a length scale and velocity that are orthogonal to one another? Could the length scale and velocity be parallel?



Any choice is possible and produces a non-dimensional Reynolds number.

You have to understand the proper couple (velocity, lenght) that characterizes your specific flow problem.
Just an example is the Reynolds number for an airfoil, you use the free stream velocity and the chord.

But on a channel flow you use the height.
sbaffini likes this.
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 14, 2023, 04:35
Default
  #3
Senior Member
 
sbaffini's Avatar
 
Paolo Lampitella
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Italy
Posts: 2,152
Blog Entries: 29
Rep Power: 39
sbaffini will become famous soon enoughsbaffini will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Skype™ to sbaffini
Quote:
Originally Posted by rdemyan View Post
Does a Reynolds Number always have to be defined with a length scale and velocity that are orthogonal to one another? Could the length scale and velocity be parallel?
In a correct approach to any problem, you don't simply choose a Re number definition, you use the Buckingham Pi theorem.

You still pick a length and velocity scale for that, but if others exist then your problem is not completely defined only by your Re, but also from all the other length and velocity ratios.

Let's take the airfoil example. The far field velocity is the only velocity scale, but as length you have the chord c and the thickness t. Whatever one you choose, your problem will be still defined by two nondimensional numbers: Re and t/c.

If you are smart enough, you can pick up the correct ones in each non dimensional number so that your quantities of interest will show clear asymptotics with nondimensional numbers going to 0 or infinite. Otherwise, the correlations you will find will, most of the times, clearly show you what is wrong. When they don't, it's probable that the problem itself has no such clear influence from one single parameter.
sbaffini is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   February 15, 2023, 08:29
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
sbaffini's Avatar
 
Paolo Lampitella
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Italy
Posts: 2,152
Blog Entries: 29
Rep Power: 39
sbaffini will become famous soon enoughsbaffini will become famous soon enough
Send a message via Skype™ to sbaffini
Also note that the single/simple Re number dependence of a flow is, in the end, a very simplified frame that really assumes no length and a single velocity scale are present in the inflow. A real turbulent inflow would have a continuous distribution of them.

A similar reasoning is possible for the actual surface of the airfoil, whose roughness also would have a continious distribution of length scales.

This just to say that the Re number and similar quantities are just numbers and are not written in the stone. If you need to use an existing relation involving Re, you obviously need to use the same Re definition if you want to correctly use the relation. Otherwise, your physical intuition should come first of even attempting to come up with a dimensionless number of any sort.
sbaffini is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
reynolds number


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Turbulent Velocity Scale and Turbulent Viscosity Ratio mazhar16823 Main CFD Forum 2 February 4, 2023 09:21
Import .csv - velocity profile - error eSKa CFX 9 April 3, 2021 13:38
Relation between integral time and integral length scale kepler123 Main CFD Forum 6 January 25, 2019 17:01
Turbulence length scale MissCFD CFX 1 August 7, 2014 18:32
Variables Definition in CFX Solver 5.6 R P CFX 2 October 26, 2004 02:13


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:46.