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November 25, 2010, 09:28 
outflow boundary contition

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Hi!
i need some help with an outflow bc. i am writing an 1D code for a flow in a duct. i am using 1D finite volume equations and an crank nikolson method. at the last node "n" (exit flow node) i need a bc because i do not know the "n+1" node. i found that one proper boundary contrition is the DT/dt + v*DT/dx =0 (1) (I am solving only the energy equation). what i'd like to ask is that in my me equation which is in form A(n,n1)Tn1(t+dt) + A(n,n)Tn(t+dt) + A(n,n+1)Tn+1(t+dt) = B(n,n1)Tn1(t) + B(n,n)Tn(t) + B(n,n+1)Tn+1(t) i have to terms that i do not know the Tn+1(t+dt) and the Tn+1(t). to do this i have to solve the (1) two times one implicit and one explicit so to replace the two above terms ? thanks 

December 8, 2010, 11:04 

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Y don't U use CFD softwares?


December 8, 2010, 12:42 

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I am using cfd. the purpose of the code that i make is to speedup the cfd calculations


December 9, 2010, 15:14 

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which program U write codes with? I just know some fortran 90.


December 9, 2010, 17:49 

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I am also using fortran 90.
i found that the vdT/Dx = 0 seems to work good. but i don't know if this is the best BC 

December 19, 2010, 11:13 

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Sorry. I don't know either.


December 20, 2010, 03:32 

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Dear Kordou;
it seems you need basic studies in CFD. All T(t) terms,like Tn(t) or Tn+1(t) or Tn1(t), are determined either from a previous time step olution or an initial guess. if you use an implicit scheme for the term of vdT/Dx , you will have two unknown terms for each point, namely Tn(t+dt) and Tn+1(t+dt). knowing the boundary condition for first and last points, (inlet and outlet) a set of equations will be earned. solution of this set will give you the right answer. it is unconditionally stable but its solution needs more efforts.since a set of equations wil be solved simultaniously. if you use an explicit scheme, there is only one unknown term, namely Tn(t+dt), which is easily found at each point. but it is not unconditionally stable and may diverge for specific values of dt,dx and v. regards 

December 20, 2010, 15:52 

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Dear Hamidzoka
At start thank you for the help Indeed I have the basic knowledge of finite element method. I have a code that uses the cranknicolson method (both implicit and explicit) to solve a system of equations (the Energy equation) in the above form (1st post here). The terms in the right of the equation at time (t) are known from either a initial guess of from a previews time step. My problem for the boundary condition (1) of the first post is not the term vDT/Dx. I calculate this as you suggest it. My problem is the that in one Boundary condition i have 2 terms, one that depends on time (DT/Dt) and the other that depents on space (vDT/Dx). If i apply only the second term as a boundady condition vDT/Dx=0 (as a read this is ok for steady state) which basically gives the same BC as DT/DX=0, my result are very good. But i have a transient code so (as i read) i have to also include the term DT/Dt (whicj is (T(n+1)T(n))/dt as well. but i have never worked on a BC both on time and space. As i said i I do not have much knowledge on cfd theory, so sorry i have said something stupid. thank you again 

December 21, 2010, 02:17 

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Dear Kordou;
you are not permitted to descritize the energy equation in "n"th (exit flow) node as well as first (inlet flow).disctritization starts from node 2 to n1. since there is no n+1 or 0 node in domain! lets focus on BC: you have to choices for "n"th (exit flow) BC as the following: 1temperature: Tn is specified 2heat flux: Qn is specified suppose that you 've selected the temperature. therefore Tn is known. so, let review all temperature nodes at node "n1": Tn2(t+dt) : is known from previous time step or an initial guess Tn2(t) : is known from previous time step or an initial guess Tn1(t+dt) : is unknown and should be computed Tn1(t) : is known from previous time step or an initial guess Tn(t+dt)=Tn(t) : Tn is BC and assumed to be fixed. therefore it dies not change with time.(in case boundary condition of Tn varies with the time, its function should be known and therefore Tn(t+dt) is calculated using its function). you will see there is no other unknown term. does it help? Regards Hamidzoka 

December 21, 2010, 04:25 

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Dear Hamidzoka
Your answer is quite helpful! thank you 

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