# Generic Scalar Transport Equations

 Register Blogs Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

 February 1, 2011, 09:01 Generic Scalar Transport Equations #1 New Member   venkat Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 8 Hi All, I would like to know few things about scalar transport equations 1. What are all the physical quantities or variables that can be written in scalar transport equations?... or in other way, what are the requirements to be met by any dependent variable, so as to be formulated by scalar transport equations and solved for that variable? 2. what is actually 'scalar' here? Thanks, Venkat

 February 2, 2011, 08:40 #2 New Member   venkat Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 8 Could anyone respond to this plz

 February 3, 2011, 02:24 #3 Senior Member   Julien de Charentenay Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 230 Rep Power: 10 Hi Venkat, Let's attempt an answer to your question. Scalar transport equations would usually refer to the transport of a species, called a scalar. However in more broad sense, a scalar can mean any quantity that can be put in the appropriate convection + diffusion + source term formulation. Examples are smoke, mixture fraction, age of air. The main common denominator here is that (a) you can express the variable into the appropriate formulation and (b) there is defined feedback mechanism (none for the age of air, PPDF function for a mixture fraction in combustion). In short your question is very generic and difficult to answer due to the lack of context. Hope this help. Julien __________________ --- Julien de Charentenay

 February 5, 2011, 01:59 venkat #4 New Member   venkat Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 8 Thanks Julien.., To be more precise, Recently we were analysing the eletromagnetic effect on plasma lamps. In addition to the flow and energy equations, we needed to solve for electrostatic potential(phi). For this, we added one more scalar equation, with the help of UDS in Fluent and solved for 'phi'. That is where I started thinking more about transport equations. So my question is , when i want to solve for a variable , how would i know or how can i decide if that variable can be written in tranport equations. Is it purely based on physics? Are there any simple tips to identify the cases? if possible, could you plz give me two cases...one for variable which can be written in the form of scalar transport equations.....and the second, for variable which cannot be written in the form of scalar transport equations Could you plz throw some light on these equations. Thank you once again Venkat

 February 6, 2011, 06:20 #5 Senior Member   Julien de Charentenay Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Australia Posts: 230 Rep Power: 10 In my opinion, it is depends on whether you can write the equation you want to solve in the appropriate equation form (in finite volume form): - unsteady(or under-relaxation) = convection + diffusion + source; or - unsteady(or under-relaxation) = convection; or any combination of the above. 2 examples: - A lagrangian multiphase model can not be solved using a UDS as it cannot be formulated in the appropriate finite volume form; - An eulerian multiphase model could be solved using UDS (although one would need to solve several UDS and couple these together and to the flow field). In summary, get the equations for the variable you want to solve. Try to make it fit in the UDS model. If it fits, great. If it does not, you can probably still hack through a user function to implement it: - Get a pre or post-processing UDF (I would assume there will be one, but I can warrant for sure); - Do a check on the iteration number to ensure that you run your model only once per iteration; - Run your model at the beginning of each iteration using your own solver; - Implement the feedback mechanism from your model onto the solver. Note: if you have some spare cash, I am sure you can find a consultancy firm that can do the implementation for you. It would save you quite a few headaches. Hope this help. Julien __________________ --- Julien de Charentenay Last edited by julien.decharentenay; February 6, 2011 at 06:21. Reason: Clarify UDS version UDF (user defined function)

 Thread Tools Display Modes Linear Mode

 Posting Rules You may not post new threads You may not post replies You may not post attachments You may not edit your posts BB code is On Smilies are On [IMG] code is On HTML code is OffTrackbacks are On Pingbacks are On Refbacks are On Forum Rules

 Similar Threads Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post vivek070176 OpenFOAM Programming & Development 10 December 24, 2014 00:48 jannnesss CFX 0 January 8, 2010 20:53 David harvey FLUENT 1 January 31, 2004 07:15 123 Main CFD Forum 6 August 10, 1998 09:05

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:24.