CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

Compressible Turbulent Flow

Register Blogs Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   January 17, 2005, 11:13
Default Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #1
CFDtoy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Hello,

I am working on a variable density Flow with turbulence. When I consider compressibility..is it required that I solve the enthalpy equation?.I do know that energy considerations are important. However, If i chose not to consider the importance of the energy in the system...Can i just solve for Rho, U,P, K and Epsilon ( Turbulence) ?? or do i have to necessarily consider the energy equation?

Can somebody direct me to a paper explaining some methodology to solve a compressible turbulent Flow?

Thanks for your time.

CFDtoy

  Reply With Quote

Old   January 17, 2005, 11:36
Default Re: Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #2
ag
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
You will have to solve some form of the energy equation if you are dealing with compressible flow. I assume from your comments that you are using a pressure-based solver. If so, the pressure equation has to be modified to account for pressure-density variations. The book by Peric and Ferziger can provide more information.
  Reply With Quote

Old   January 17, 2005, 12:40
Default Re: Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #3
CFDtoy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Hello Ag, You are right. I used PISO algorithm, pressure based solver for the formulation. Should I also use a Energy conservation procedure?

CFDtoy
  Reply With Quote

Old   January 17, 2005, 21:14
Default Re: Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #4
ag
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
If you look in the book by Peric and Ferziger you'll find a procedure for building in the energy conservation. In essence the pressure fluctuations are related to both velocity and density variations via momentum, continuity, and a thermodynamic relation between pressure, density, and enthalpy (or temperature). The pressure equation is solved for the pressure fluctuations, and the density and velocity corrections are then computed. You'll also need to include compressibility in your turbulence model.
  Reply With Quote

Old   January 18, 2005, 03:08
Default Re: Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #5
Rami
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Just a note. Incompressible flow is an exception, where the energy equation is decoupled from the other transport equations (mass, momentum, etc.), and therefore in this case it may omitted altogether or just solved after other variables were solved. In other cases it is coupled to other transport equations, and therefore should be solved along with the others.
  Reply With Quote

Old   January 19, 2005, 04:41
Default Re: Compressible Turbulent Flow
  #6
andy
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
It depends on what is causing the variable density. A fairly wide range of variable density flows at low Mach numbers can be reasonably handled assuming incompressibility and without solving an equation derived from the conservation of energy.

You will have to say more about the physics of the problems you wish to solve before any decision can be taken about the importance of compressibility/incompressibility and the need to solve an energy equation or not.
  Reply With Quote

Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
CFX Treatment of Laminar and Turbulent Flows Jade M CFX 18 September 15, 2022 07:08
Compressible turbulent flow FVS Main CFD Forum 1 June 14, 2017 11:45
Incompressible and compressible flow. Confused student. Main CFD Forum 27 March 18, 2017 12:25
laminar and turbulent flow in one simulation msna FLUENT 0 January 27, 2007 17:35
compressible two phase flow in CFX4.4 youngan CFX 0 July 1, 2003 23:32


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 15:27.