# why the finer the mesh the worse the results?

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 January 23, 2016, 04:35 why the finer the mesh the worse the results? #1 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 11 Hi, I am simulating a turbine as multiphase flow VOF. Why using a mesh of 0.01 m the results are very close to the exact solution (error of 1%), and with the mesh of 0.005 m they differer from the exact solution of about 13%? The exact solution has been achieved by experimental tests. This occur for different simulated hydraulic conditions (e.g. flowrates) Thank you Regards

 January 24, 2016, 15:05 #2 New Member   Kamaladin Saqar Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Tehran Posts: 4 Rep Power: 16 Hi, Decreasing size of elements has conditions. One of them is Courat Number. I think mesh of 0.005 m does not satisfy suitable Courant Number of the problem.

 January 25, 2016, 05:49 #3 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 11 Thank you. The Courant number should be close to 1. I have reduced the mesh size, and I used the same time discretization. The courant number with the finer mesh is hence closer to 1 than the coarse mesh, but the coarse mesh gives better result. How is it possible? Thank you very much

 January 25, 2016, 10:51 #4 New Member   Kamaladin Saqar Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Tehran Posts: 4 Rep Power: 16 Hi Well that is a good case to state an mesh sensitivity study!

 January 25, 2016, 15:32 #5 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 11 Thank you. But the sensitivity analysis works well when the accuracy increases with the reduction in the mesh dimension. I obtain the opposite... Thank you

 February 1, 2016, 06:02 #6 Senior Member   Colinda Join Date: May 2012 Location: Brussels Posts: 152 Rep Power: 14 Possibly there is another element in the simulation set-up that is causing the difference, not the mesh dependency. E.g. the boundary conditions, the turbulence model, etc. The mesh dependency study is one (important, but not the only) element determining the accuracy of the solution.

 February 1, 2016, 16:55 #7 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 11 Thank you. I do not know. The case file is always the same, and I import on that case the mesh....Strange. Probably the problem can not be well simulated by VOF for example. Thanks

 March 15, 2016, 09:29 #8 New Member   VT Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 16 Rep Power: 10 did you find out the answer to your question? I am affected by the same issue. If i use a finer mesh with same setup i have results totally differents. I am investigating to find out what cause it, but i am whitout any reasonable answer!

 March 16, 2016, 05:17 #9 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 11 Hi, no answer still. When the mesh reduces, it may be correct that the result change. Then the result should converge until an asyntotic value, and further mesh refinement should not affect the solution any more. But in my case the results change a lot, decrease, increase, ect...they are not asysntotic! What about your problem?

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 Originally Posted by Ema40 Hi, no answer still. When the mesh reduces, it may be correct that the result change. Then the result should converge until an asyntotic value, and further mesh refinement should not affect the solution any more. But in my case the results change a lot, decrease, increase, ect...they are not asysntotic! What about your problem?
I am studing a turbulent flow with a SEM, if increase Polynomial order (that equivalent to increase mesh) or increase mesh to have a more equispaced mesh, the fluid become laminar, instead to be turbulent, how happen with a coarser mesh. And Re is very high...so it is impossible.

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