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 February 12, 2013, 05:38 Running without wall function #1 Member   Simone Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 95 Rep Power: 7 Hi to everyone! I'd like to run a case without wall function and the Spalart-Allmaras turbulence model. Searching around I didn't really figured out what to do regarding the boundary condition on the solid body for nut and nuTilda. I suppose this setting: nut: solidBody { type nutLowReWallFunction; value uniform 0; } nuTilda: solidBody { type fixedValue; value uniform 0; } Am I correct or should I use also fixedValue for nut? Any answer is really, really appreciated! Cheers Simone

 February 12, 2013, 06:26 #2 Member   Simone Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 95 Rep Power: 7 Using a dummy turbulence model I found out the the availlable turbulence models are: ( LRR LamBremhorstKE LaunderGibsonRSTM LaunderSharmaKE LienCubicKE LienCubicKELowRe LienLeschzinerLowRe NonlinearKEShih RNGkEpsilon SpalartAllmaras kEpsilon kOmega kOmegaSST kkLOmega laminar qZeta realizableKE ) So maybe only those two schemes can be used without wall functions? In the sense that I have to use wall function with SpalartAllmaras model?

 February 12, 2013, 17:43 #3 Senior Member     Daniel P. Combest Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Louis, USA Posts: 612 Rep Power: 22 There are other turbulence models that can be used without wall functions, for example LamBremhorst. Similar to high Re turbulence modles, low Re turbulence models requirements for y+ in order to be valid....so more stringent than others. I believe that LaunderSharmaKE has one near y+<=1 and LamBremhorst is about a y+ of 5. You might want to search the forum for the y+ values, and or read through Wilcox's book on turbulence modeling. Lastly, you do not need use wall functions for the SpalartAllamaral. Some may argue what the BC's for SpalartAllmaras should be, but from a phenomenalogical perspective...zeroGradient works because there is diffusion of turbulent viscosity down through the turbulent boundary layer in course meshes. Ideally, it should be zero once it reaches the wall (if the turbulent boundary layer is assumed to be maintained and if the mesh is fine enough). i think one may run into stability problems with a nuTilda= 1e-20 (don't use zero exactly) at the wall. try the thread http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/ope...us-values.html for some more information. Good Luck __________________ Dan Find me on Twitter @dancombest LinkedIn WordPress

 February 13, 2013, 03:22 #4 Member   Simone Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 95 Rep Power: 7 Hi chegdan and thank you for your answer.. So you are suggesting me to use a setup like: nut: solidBody { type nutLowReWallFunction; value uniform 0; } nuTilda: solidBody { type fixedValue; value uniform 1e-20; } And for the inlet/outlet and the other patch for the farfiel? Is it correct to use freestream BC? With a value that is a fraction of viscosity? I read that for nut one should use about 0.1nu and for nuTilda 0.3nu. Cheers Simone

 February 14, 2013, 11:22 #5 Senior Member     Daniel P. Combest Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: St. Louis, USA Posts: 612 Rep Power: 22 For nut wall, you can use the Low Re wall function like you have stated. It sets nut to zero and provides access to calculate a y+. For SA model, use waht you have , but you can also try zeroGradient to see if the results are closer to any validation results. For inlet values, you can set nut to type calculated and then define nutTilda with either what you have or where is the inlet velocity magnitude, is the turbulent intensity, and is the turbulent length scale, see here. Making your own SA inlet BC to do this for you is relatively easy, you can derive one from the k or epsilon BCs dealing with defining scalar values based on turbulent intensities. __________________ Dan Find me on Twitter @dancombest LinkedIn WordPress Last edited by chegdan; February 14, 2013 at 11:23. Reason: more words added

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