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Thanks alot for sharing your conclusion, great!
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July 19, 2013, 07:33 |
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Just as an add-on, as I feel it is relevant: I am running at maxCo of 2.0 or 2.5, depending on how desperate I am on computational time, which usually yields time steps of 1.5e-4 - 2.0e-4 s for this case. That means the blade moves roughly 0.8 deg/time step.
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July 19, 2013, 15:41 |
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Artur,
I tried to handle my case with the method suggested in tut. I used my mesh and just applied the createAMIFaces.topoSetDict to create the AMI cellzones instead of using splitMeshRegions -makeCellZones -overwrite but I am wondering why innerCylinderSmallFace,and the other created Dic in set folder are empty. Please, Look at the attachment that is made relevant my AMI cylinder. Best Reza |
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hmm... I don't see anything standing out that could be wrong with this dict. Have you cleared all the folders properly so that there are not sets present before running topoSet?
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August 14, 2013, 10:15 |
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during the sHM there are faceZone as well as cellZone generated for innerCylinderSmall.
can i use this :
i cant figure it out how to set the normalToSurface in createInletOutletSets.topoSetDict since the flow is differ from propeller. Code:
{ name outletFaces; type faceSet; action subset; source normalToFace; sourceInfo { normal (0 -1 0); // Vector cos 0.3; // Tolerance (max cos of angle) } } { name inletFaces; type faceSet; action subset; source normalToFace; sourceInfo { normal (0 1 0); // Vector cos 0.3; // Tolerance (max cos of angle) } } Code:
Adding patches for surface regions ---------------------------------- Patch Type Region ----- ---- ------ fan: 5 wall fan_rotor-layersides 6 wall fan_rotor-mrf-02 7 wall fan_casing-schwarz-03 8 wall fan_rotor-mrf-layer-02 9 wall fan_rotor-mrf-01 10 wall fan_casing 11 wall fan_plane 12 wall fan_inlet 13 wall fan_outlet 14 wall fan_channel 15 wall fan_casing-outter 16 wall fan_casing-mrf 17 wall fan_casing-02 18 wall fan_rotor--mrf-layer-01 mrfDomain: 19 wall mrfDomain_frameboarder-interior 20 wall mrfDomain_frameboarder-interior_slave thank you in advance |
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1. I think you can use the cellzones created by sHM, I recall that I did it some time ago and it worked but there was something about it that made me stick to the approach proposed by the tutorial (I'm really sorry but I can't recall what it was). So my answer would be: you can do it but be careful.
2. I'm not sure what you mean by: Quote:
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normal (1 0 0); 3. If you create your patches otherwise then I don't see why you shouldn't use them as they are. Be careful though, sometimes it is necessary to call Code:
createPatch -overwrite 4. I'm not sure what you mean by the last question. The best way to check what patches you have is to a) check your boundary file b) misspell one patch name deliberately and try to run your case: all available patches should be printed on the screen together with the error message. |
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in the boundary i can see the listed patches by log.sHM, so they are patch and type wall. am i correct?
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August 23, 2013, 19:01 |
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Hi everyone,
Just a quick view of what i have done so far.. after reading this thread and also the thread here http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/ope...ing-ami-8.html i tried to prepare case for simulation of centrifugal fan. i'm using sHM from my simpleFoam MRF case. (2 stl file: for the geometry (fan and casing or rotor and stator; and AMI which is cylinder covering the rotor part) to create AMI: 1) i removed the faceZone and cellZone created by sHM (patches like inlet outlet etc. generated within sHM) 2) followed the step using topoSet dict except for the createPatch for inlet outlet since i already have the patches. Instead of using cylinderToCell ( i dont know the p1 p2 and radii), i used surfaceToCell from the stl file. 3) createBaffles using the faceZone for AMI and cellZone for dynamicMesh. after that used paraView to have a look at my AMI. 1) should the AMI looks the same as what in STL file?? because i got a cylinder but the bottom side is open ( i will include the image next week since now i dont have access to the file) i hope someone can help me thank you in advance |
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August 24, 2013, 10:55 |
rotatingWallVelocity or movingWallVelocity
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Hi,
in the following tutorial ~/OpenFOAM/OpenFOAM-2.2.x/tutorials/multiphase/interDyMFoam/ras/mixerVesselAMI the rotatingWallVelocity BC is used. Stephane. |
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October 1, 2013, 10:53 |
cavitation steps
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Hello !!
Please I am simulating cavitation of full 5 bladed marine propeller using Ansys Fluent, with sliding mesh I am new in simulating multiphase flow, and i need if it is possible steps to simulate cavitation using Fluent Best regards Samir |
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October 1, 2013, 11:47 |
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Hi,
You will note that this thread is a part of the OpenFOAM users' forum. I think you will get much more feedback if you post your question in the Fluent section. Regards, A |
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October 1, 2013, 12:06 |
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Thanks Artur
I found just one commenter who work with fluent for marine propeller |
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can i ask something to you? how if we want to simulate for ducted propeller case, propeller that has nozzle and what should we do with the boundaries? I assumed that the nozzle is not rotating, propeller only for rotating, but when i did in AMI structure in openFoam, i had some problems, the run process stopped, and i don't know the exactly error. but when i did in MRF case, there was no problem, could you help me for the problem? |
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January 22, 2017, 10:35 |
merge mesh in openfoam
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hello,
i am trying to simulate flow around propeller in openfoam. for this purpose i create two meshes in pointwise and exported mesh to openfoam, one for rotating domain and second for stationary, now i want to merge two meshes in open foam, how can i do this? |
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January 23, 2017, 05:05 |
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You'll need to export them to separate test cases as "rotor" and "stator" or something along those lines and then use the "mergeMeshes" tool:
https://openfoamwiki.net/index.php/MergeMeshes http://www.sourceflux.de/blog/genera...snappyhexmesh/ |
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February 16, 2017, 07:24 |
problem with AMI building
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Hi all,
it is the first time that I write, but I follow you a few months. Thanks to your previous post, I was able to adapt the propeller tutorial to my case of a fan of an industrial oven (I used SHM propellerTip.obj replacing the file with a propeller STL files and varying parameters such as epsilon, k , nu, Maxco). The simulation converges and everything seems to be good. At this point, I tried to replicate the same case using an external meshing (Hexpress of Numeca) instead of SHM. First street, I built two meshes (external hollow cylinder and a small cylinder inside) and I used mergeMeshes and createPatch following your advice (I've also tried it with createBaffles) to create AMI1 and AMI2. When I start the simulations, however, I have weight problems (I think because the two interfaces have a different number of faces and align bad. Unfortunately I was not able to overcome this problem by using directly Hexpress (any advice on this point is appreciated). Second road, I built a mesh with inside the fan and I used topoSet and createBaffles (as done in the propeller tutorial editing these files) to create AMI1 and AMI2. In this case, I get interfaces with the same number of faces that are well aligned in terms of weight. The simulation, however, diverges immediately. Opening the geometry with paraview, known that AMI1 and AMI2 not have a cylindrical contour, but are constituted by a "step" cells (which is not the case using SHM). This leads me to think it is due to the fact of not having a "guide" cylinder inside the mesh (as innerCylinderSmall for SHM). So, third street, I built a single mesh with the small cylinder inside and the fan. But if at this point I try to create AMI1 and AMI2 with topoSet (as in the propeller tutorial, building a cylinder with cellToCylinder the same size as the one inside the mesh) the faceZone (amiCylinderFace) is empty. I kindly ask you tips or ideas on how to proceed, because these roads do not seem to work. Thank you. Andrea |
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February 16, 2017, 11:38 |
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Hi,
Glad to hear you found some of my posts useful. Definitely the 3rd approach you're describing (with including a cylinder in the mesh and then splitting it the same way you'd do with snappyHexMesh) is the correct way to do things. There are a number of reasons why topoSet wouldn't work, difficult to say exactly without looking at the mesh. Do the cells inside the cylinder get added to the cell set at all? Have you tried running renumberMesh after exporting? (I've had some issues with Pointwise OF exports, not sure about Hexpress since I never used it). Can you post some screenshots of the grid (I realise the geometry is probably sensitive but maybe you can show the mesh without the actual fan somehow). Sorry I couldn't be of more help at this stage. A |
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February 20, 2017, 07:19 |
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Hello Artur,
thanks for your immediate response and sorry if I could not answer you before but I had to finish another job. Unfortunately I felt like on your advice with renumberMesh, but the problem is not solved. Indeed, the geometry of the fan is sensitive, so I made a change to the model by inserting a small hollow cylinder in place of the hollow fan, but the concept and the problem of the two cylinders should always be the same. I am attaching the mesh screen shoots, the log.topoSet file and topoSetDict file. If you need more and want to check it out when you have time I can send you the complete case. Also I write on NUMECA Hexpress forum to try to have other information about it. Thanks for your help. Andrea |
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February 20, 2017, 08:54 |
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Hi,
Hmm, the mesh seems OK at the first glance. One thing which I've found to help with the weightings going to zero sometimes is to coarsen the grid at the AMI instead of making it finer (it seems counter-intuitive but somehow manges to help with snappy, not sure with hexpress). Another thing I noticed is that your amiCylinderFaceZone has zero size: Code:
faceZoneSet amiCylinder now size 0 Hope the hexpress support comes through. All the best A |
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February 20, 2017, 11:57 |
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Hello Artur,
Thank you for your answer. Unfortunately, the problem is precisely that. Do not understand why using Hexpress the "subset" take me to have a faceZoneSet size 0. What I thought is that probably Hexpress size cells exactly to the edge of the small cylinder (where I want the AMI interface) and thus the cells belong or the small cylinder or the outer one but there are no cells in common to the two cylinders and therefore "subset" does not work (I wonder if you think it can be a correct reasoning). In fact I tried to widen slightly the amyCylinder (cellToCylinder slightly larger), but in this case I fall into the problem of having rung cells as AMI interface. I also made another attempt to understand if the problem was that, I used a smaller cylinder with cellToCylinder and used "invert" to build the outer cylinder and therefore have a region of cells in common between the small cylinder and the outer cylinder. In this way indeed the faceZoneSet not empty, but then creating the Baffles have faces that are aligned badly with consequent problems of weight. Unfortunately I do not know which way to go, anything seems not to work. Andrea |
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