Hi KyleL
As I said I am interested in. I had some literature review. Did you have too? What is your plan? |
Ata,
I guess my plan is to first find out what if any development has been done? Then I would like to review any information available, and maybe find a programmer that would be willing to help develop the needed moldFOAM solver. I would very much like to see any information you have available. Thanks, KyleL |
Hi Kyle Lampkin
I have some paper a bout this, but now I don't remember their title and authors and I must take a look at my resources. Do you want them? If yes I'll send them for you. All the best |
Any updates?
Are there any updates about this matter? I'm really interested in any applications wich involve the use of the OpenFOAM frame in simulating the injection molding process for polymers.
Thank you in advance |
Polymer processing injection molding application
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I have written a two phase code for polymer processing but now I am PhD student and I can not release it until the end of my PhD but if you want may be I could help you in code preparation or you can wait until the end of my PhD. Best regards Good luck |
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Good luck! |
Polymer processing injection molding application
Hi Alberto Passalacqua
I am doing that and after publishing my work, I'll release my code. Best regards |
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My code is isothermal solver for two phase flow. Two phases can be viscoelastic-viscoelastc fluids or viscoelastic-Newtonian fluids. There is about 15 constitutive models available for viscoelastic fluids in my code and geometry is general in it. I used from interFoam and viscoelasticFluidFoam solvers and combined them. I think it is not very hard to add energy equation to may code. Thank you very much for your understanding me and my restrictions Good luck with your PhD too |
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I have some students working on developing a code for simulation of injection moulding. They used interFoam and added an energy equation to the solver, part of the problem is discussed in following thread: http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/ope...sitymodel.html The non-isothermal behavoiur is based on the paper: "A novel design for hot-melt extrusion pelletizers" Stefan Radel et. al. Chmical Engineering Science 65 (2010) page 1976-1988 If the company involved in the project accepts, I will ask them to disclose the code and test case. However, there is still an issue about the frozen layer. |
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Is the melt compressible in your code? Do you take melt solidification into account in your solver? I am interested in injection molding simulation, too. Hope that we can hellp each other. Best regards |
Polymer processing injection molding application
Hi Jitao Liu
As now code is incompressible with no melt solidification. I would be very glad if I can help you and have cooperation with you. Best regards Ata |
Hi, Ata
I want to combine the interFoam and viscoelasticFoam to simulate the polymer injection, just like i said in the other post. But in the interFoam solver, there is a "transportmodle" file in it ..., I have no idea to put the viscoelastic informations in it. How can I do? can you give me some advises on that? If it is convenient, you are appreciated to e-mail me: skykzhang@hotmail.com:o |
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I ignored the transportmodle. Write one similar to it for your self. |
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Hi all, i'm very interested in this project. There is still someone working on it?
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it is possible to access to all the work you did guys? |
Hi guys,
any updates on the solvers? Would be interested to contribute, maybe adding a scalartransport equation to introduce temperature in the flow. Let me know, Christian |
Injection molding in OpenFOAM? Euh....
Hi guys,
throughout this OpenFOAM forum, I see that many people are interested on the topic of "injection molding" with OpenFOAM. It seems that some people have build a solver for this topic. Something based on interFoam for interface tracking, adding heat transfer, rheology and so on. Nevertheless, I'm not aware of anybody who has released such a solver;) Well, I work on this topic for a long time and, from my point of view, it is a quite complex story to build such a tool. You could find some hints below. Overview of the problem: the cornerstone of the problem is not the heat transfer or rheology behavior (not an easy task nevertheless...) but the tracking of the interface by itself. Indeed, the main difficulty (for OpenFOAM) is that we need to deal with a highly viscous phase (the polymer) with something like air (not viscous at all). Mmm, it seems abstract at this point of the story:( We have something like interFoam no? Where is the problem? Common simplifications: in a first step, you can drop all transient and convective terms in the base Navier-Stokes solver --> you are dealing with pure Stokes problem now (it is what all standard softwares like Moldflow do by default). It should be easy now? --> not at all in fact :D You are just at the cornerstone of the problem: you need to deal with a Stokes system with a highly viscous term and a quasi inviscid one. Ok, another common simplification is to consider that air has a viscosity something like viscosity(polymer)/1000. For example, if your polymer has mu = 1000 Pa.s, then take mu(air) = 1Pa.s. It doesn't change significantly the flow front evolution and it reduces the stifness of the problem. Still a nightmare: Previous simplifications are good but far from being enough:mad: The Stokes problem we need to deal with is still too stiff... for OpenFOAM. The problem is heavily linked with the numerical kernel of OF: cell-centered FV with segregated approach for U/p. Not good at all for Stokes operator with strong jump on viscosity and high viscosity. The underlying reasons are not so clear from strict analytic point of view (search this topic on google scholar / you won't find many things). Ok, two things: 1- first recall at least that it is a quite well-known fact that cell-centered FV are bad for diffusion operators on irregular meshes --> there is "reminescence" of this behavior on eulerian tracking schemes (on perfectly regular meshes!), 2- secondly, try to use the interFoam to simulate the falling (by gravity) of a highly viscous drop (say a drop of radius 1mm with density 1000 and viscosity 1000Pa.s) in ambiant air and see the result. You should understand quickly what happens. What you could do: 1- Work with a finite element solver for U/p :p (you can track alpha with FV if you -- still -- like them!). 2- Ok, i'm a bad guy. It could have some solutions also for finite volume framework but it is not "proven" and they are difficult to implement in OpenFOAM: a- modern finite volume methods like DDFV. Search a paper of Jerome Droniou, "Finite volume schemes for diffusion equations. Introduction to and review of modern methods" --> just an introduction, not focused at all in diphasic Stokes problem / rather some approachs (DDFV but some others) for working with quite irregular meshes / some peoples have succesfully applied them for biphasic Stokes flows with good results. Highly interesting / quite valuable for amening OpenFOAM to a high level of numeric technology / but quite complex to implement properly and quickly. Obviously, if you are able to do such a thing by yourself, you would be a god if you release freely such an extension to the OpenFOAM community! Seriously, it is a quite complex topic and "a job by itself". You need to be a researcher on this topic to achieve it. Nightmare is not finish... It begins! If you start some works on this topic, you will quickly face the problem of the wall boundary condition treatment:D A physical fact: at the melt front position, the polymer "partially slip" along the wall... It is a big / interesting / and complex story to deal accurately and efficiently with this (now you should guess that it is not sufficient to use something like the "partialSlip" BC of OF). Maybe more on this topic later:p .................................................. ........................... Well, is it yet an easy task to do injection molding with OpenFOAM??? Mmm, maybe it is for this reason that nobody has released a real solver for it... :) |
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