# Incompressible turbulence models: strange implementations?

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 April 8, 2011, 11:50 Incompressible turbulence models: strange implementations? #1 Member     Alessandro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Genova Posts: 47 Rep Power: 10 Sponsored Links Hi FOAMers! I'm doing some programming works on k-Omega SST alternative forms in OF and I found some strange implementations in the incompressible versions of turbulence models. In particular I'm wondering if the formula for the Reynolds stress tensor R, the deviatoric part of the effective stress tensor devReff and its divergence divDevReff are correct. To my knowledge, the formulas for all of these quantities are the same for compressible and incompressible fluids, being the latter a particular case of the first (with the assumption that div(U_i) = tr(S_ij) = 0 , being S_ij = 1/2(d u_i/d x_j + d u_j/d x_i) the symmetric part of the grad U_i tensor, a.k.a the strain rate tensor). Anyway the formulas in OF for the incompressible models seems a little puzzling because: 1. Reynolds stress tensor : R_ij = 2/3 I_ij k - nut (2 S_ij - 2/3 div U_i I_ij) in which for the incompressible case the last term drops. The OF formulation is: R = ((2.0/3.0)*I)*k_ - nut_*twoSymm(fvc::grad(U_)) where 2/3 div U_i I_ij has been dropped. 2. Deviatoric part of the effective stress tensor : D_ij = nuEff (2/3 div U_i I_ij - 2 S_ij) in which for the incompressible case the first term drops. The OF formulation is: devReff = - nuEff()*dev(twoSymm(fvc::grad(U_))) where the divergence term has NOT been dropped, because of the dev operator. 3. Divergence of the deviatoric part of the effective stress tensor : div(D_ij) = 2/3 d/d x_i( nuEff d U_k/d x_k ) - 2 d/d x_j( nuEff S_ij ) = 2/3 d/d x_i( nuEff d U_k/d x_k ) - d/d x_j( nuEff d U_i/d x_j + nuEff dU_j/d x_i ) in which for the incompressible case the first term drops. The OF formulation is: divDevReff = - fvm::laplacian(nuEff, U) - fvc::div(nuEff()*dev(fvc::grad(U)().T())) where the divergence term has NOT been dropped, because of the dev operator. Moreover it has been erroneously included as 1/3 div U_i , not as 2/3 div U_i I_ij, because operator dev is used instead of dev2 and there isn't any twoSymm in the argument, as for D_ij above! From the point of view of strict numerics this shouldn't have any impact on the solution, because for incompressible fluids div U_i = 0. Anyway for the mathematics this is not correct. Maybe if div U_j is not near machine zero, could this cause an error? I'd like to know your opinions and in particular I'd like to know: - Are there reasons for not keeping the divergence term in Reynolds stress tensor, but keeping it in the effective stress tensor? - Can anybody explain me why there is dev in the divergence of the deviatoric part of the stress tensor instead of dev2 operator? Thanks and let's wait for some answers! Alex.

 November 18, 2014, 09:00 #2 Member   Timofey Mukha Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Posts: 77 Rep Power: 7 Indeed, I would like to have this explained as well. To basically reiterate the original post : under the Stokes assumption of zero bulk viscosity we have the viscous stress tensor divided by the density as In incompressible flow the last term is zero due to continuity yet the implementation is Code: //src/turbulenceModels/incompressible/LES/GenEddyVisc/GenEddyVisc.C tmp GenEddyVisc::devReff() const { return -nuEff()*dev(twoSymm(fvc::grad(U()))); } So the trace is still subtracted, which should be unnecessary. But formally correct. By expanding we get So we have the laplacian term plus the divergence of the transposed velocity gradient minus double the trace. But in the implementation we have Code: //src/turbulenceModels/incompressible/LES/GenEddyVisc/GenEddyVisc.C tmp GenEddyVisc::divDevReff(volVectorField& U) const { return ( - fvm::laplacian(nuEff(), U) - fvc::div(nuEff()*dev(T(fvc::grad(U)))) ); } So the trace is subtracted once. Formally the dev2 function should have been used instead. So the question is, why is dev used in the first place since the trace is zero anyway. Formalism? And if so, why is there a 2 missing in the divDevReff?

 November 18, 2014, 12:00 #3 Member     Alessandro Join Date: May 2009 Location: Genova Posts: 47 Rep Power: 10 Hello tian, Just have a look at this post by Henry. Here is my personal view of it: which can be sorted into: where the first term is the implicit (compact) laplacian and the second term is the explicit (extended) div grad. The third term accounts for the non div-free velocity field (it's a projection method) and the fourth term can be considered lumped into implicit pressure gradient. This will probably generate some a priori control on divergence of the momentum predictor velocity, certainly beneficial for the projection step which follows. Have a look at the literature, especially that about spectral and finite elements. Loosely speaking - if all of this seems too involved - it is a trick to keep the implicit part compact and to account for the divergence of the velocity predictor.

 November 18, 2014, 12:23 #4 Member   Timofey Mukha Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Uppsala, Sweden Posts: 77 Rep Power: 7 Interesting, thank you!

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