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Old   November 3, 2003, 08:15
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Rainer
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Hello guys, ive got a big problem. Ive tried the karman vortex street wich Star CD. But it doesnt work. Is there a trick in the setup of the boundaries? The cylinder has a wall, no-slip condition. The other walls are wall, slip conditions. My inlet is 1,5 m/s and the outlet is pressure out. The Grid ist completely symmetrical. Ive tried the K-E low reynolds in all forms, including square and cubic. Ive tried a laminar solution but this also didnt work. Hope someone can help me

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Old   November 3, 2003, 10:03
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Umm, sorry to ask the obvious, but you ARE doing this as a transient solution, right?

Make sure that your Reynolds Number is in the correct range for vortex shedding (above 40 I think). Also, your timestep must be quite small to capture the onset of instability, and I have found that using double-precision helps.

If you still don't get vortices, try putting in a small trigger by deleting a tiny cell on one side of your obstacle, introducing a slight asymmetry.

A Google search for "von Karman vortex Reynolds Number" will yield lots of advice.

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Old   November 3, 2003, 10:39
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Thank you brian. My solution ist transient, I forgot to mention. Reynolds Number ist about 400 I think. The timesteps are 0,001 seconds. So I will try use double-precision. Ive also tried to set the cylinder out of symmetry, but this doesnt work. So I will try the trick with the cell.

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Old   November 4, 2003, 04:49
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How far is your outlet from the cylinder?

And what do you get instead of vortex street? A symmetrical pair of vortices? May be you just have to wait longer for the onset of instability...

You can also estimate the frequency of vortex shedding from consideration Sh=0.21 - your time step must be small enough to have at least 20 time steps on a period. And may be you have to use Cranck-Nicolson, which is more accurate in time.
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Old   November 4, 2003, 05:26
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Hi Anton, the outlet is about 1500mm behind the cylinder. The cylinder-diameter is 100mm, the grid is 300mm wide, the offset off the inlet to the cylinder is 250mm. Ive got no vortices at all. The result looks like it is calculated with steady state. That was the first result I got. It was calculated transiend but it looks like steady state. Now I will try the trick of Brian, Ive deleted one cell of the cylinder and the first result looks pretty good I think. Hope it would get better.

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Old   November 5, 2003, 07:50
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What is your inlet condition and the distance from the cylinder. It's essential to set you inlet away from the cylinder and have proper inlet condition (velocity and k-e profiles) - to do this, you can simulate a simple channel flow with same mass flow rate and use the results as inlet b.c.
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Old   November 6, 2003, 07:06
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With Re=400 and D=100mm you should have velocity of 6e-2 m/s only. So you'll have to wait for more than 4 seconds until flow from the inlet will reach your cylinder! And the onset of vortex shedding will be after some time of the same order. So probably you really have to wait longer.

Besides the width of the channel is too small and the blockage effect can damp the oscillations (I was making such simulations before). You can try making your grid about 5 times wider.

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