# Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water

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 March 26, 2006, 21:03 Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #1 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Dear all, here is a very strange thing. I checked on a very simple design to be sure, here it is: || steel ||air going up|| steel || water || When the buoyancy of the water is not activated, then evrything is fine: the air warms up the steel which warms up the water. However, the simple fact to turn on the buoyancy for the water (not changing anything else) seems to stop the heat tranfer trough the wall, and the wall is not heated by the air, and so neither is the water!! Can someone explain that? It took me so many hours to figure it out, discovering that the programm was crap!!!! such a waste of time...unless there is a trick somewhere? Laure

 March 27, 2006, 03:45 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #2 Richard Guest   Posts: n/a Have you checked the gravity direction?

 March 27, 2006, 06:05 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #3 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Yes, of course. The model works when the buoyancy is of. I just change the parameter buoyancy for the water to on, and the heat tranfer is stopped!!! That is the only parameter I changed! I really think there is a bug. Laure

 March 27, 2006, 06:20 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #4 Ben Guest   Posts: n/a contact your local support office then...

 March 27, 2006, 06:22 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #5 William Blake Guest   Posts: n/a It looks like a bug but What do you think should happen, when you turn on gravity for a fluid with constant density.

 March 27, 2006, 06:42 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #6 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a The density of my fluid is not set as constant, but as isobiric, using the boussinesq approximation. But the problem is even before, because the water cannot even be warmed up, as the steel is not heated.... Laure

 March 27, 2006, 06:51 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #7 Ben Guest   Posts: n/a its sounds like a strange one, which version are you using?

 March 27, 2006, 06:54 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #8 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Version 3.22. Laure

 March 27, 2006, 06:57 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #9 Ben Guest   Posts: n/a Probably worth upgrading to the latest version (3.26), if there is a bug on something so obvious then it probably would have been fixed. Either way I would speak to your support office.

 March 27, 2006, 07:06 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #10 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Ok, thanks for the advice, I'll do it. I keep you up to date when I have an answer. Laure

 March 27, 2006, 08:35 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #11 Steve Guest   Posts: n/a Better still, check the release notes for a definite on that bug. If they don't know it's been fixed (or even existed) it may well come back in a later version. Personally I've wasted days and days of my life randomly trying different versions of STAR-CD in the hope that some bug (not acknowledged as a bug by CD) has miraculously gone.

 March 27, 2006, 09:34 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #12 Ben Guest   Posts: n/a If its not acknowledged then could it be (shock horror) operator error?

 March 27, 2006, 10:41 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #13 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a I understand your scepticism. I would rather it to be an error of mine. However I redid the experience so many time... I can send you my .mdl if you want to try by yourself...? The disdign is so simple that it it very quickly done. Le me know, Laure

 March 27, 2006, 11:00 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #14 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Well, I send you the .mdl to save time to the one willing to try: it is incredible! You can download it on yousendit.com at the following adress. Unfortunately, it will stay there for a week only... The file I give you it the one without the water buoyancy.To turn the buoyancy on, go to material properties---> liquids---> buoyancy. Turn on the buoyancy for material number 5. Without buoyancy, you will see the steel being warmed up after 3 minutes very clearly. With the buoyancy on.... you can wait for ages. Here is the file, enjoy....- http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx? id=2TNRDO8R5UKFO20KAWLVWPJWWS Laure

 March 27, 2006, 11:03 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #15 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Sorry the adress has been cut. Here it is: http://s40.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2...O20KAWLVWPJWWS Laure

 March 27, 2006, 15:05 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #16 William Blake Guest   Posts: n/a I can't see a problem. It works with any version I've used (322,326,404). Are you sure you switch on buoyancy for material 5?

 March 27, 2006, 16:11 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #17 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a I can't believe it works for you...! Then I'll do it the other way round: I send my file .mdl after I turned on the buoyancy (the only parameter I changed from the previous file). With my Starcd (2.22. 1), the heat transfer doesn't take place,and yes William (thanks for trying) I turned on the buoyancy for material 5!! Here is the link http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=1...01JYESUD4U4JIM Laure

 March 27, 2006, 18:05 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #18 William Blake Guest   Posts: n/a No problem at all. Just do a load ,, popt cont getc t cset news type 1 cplo cset news type 5 cplo cset news type 4 cplo So you will see that there is the highest temperature at the top of the domain due to the convective transport on the water side. If you switch off the buoyancy the highest temperature is near the inlet at the bottom of the domain -- pure heat conduction.

 March 27, 2006, 18:50 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #19 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a Thanks again William. I really wish I had that!!! But it doesn't work. With the second .mdl I sent, my heat transfer doesn't work!!!! It is probably as hard to understand for you as it is for me that yours works!! With the left wall, it is all right, it is warmed up, but nothing for the right one! I really don't understand it. Thanks for your time anyway, I'll try on another version Wenesday...That's incredible. Laure

 March 27, 2006, 19:31 Re: Starcd has a bug? Buoyancy of water #20 Laure Guest   Posts: n/a I've just had an answer from StarCd supply to say that no bug is recorded for this kind of problem. However, I swear it dosn't work for me!!! Laure

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