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 January 15, 2013, 09:16 airflow in room #1 New Member   Shane Farrell Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 5 Rep Power: 6 Sponsored Links Hi, Im relatively new to star ccm and i am trying to produce a simple simulation of the airflow patterns in a clean room. The model is basically a box with 9 inlets on the roof and 3 outlets at the base of two of the side walls. The flow is run as a steady incompressible laminer model. The inlets are set as velocity inlets with a velocity of 0.5 m/s. I have set the outlets as both pressure outlets and split flow outlets for seperate simultions, but when i tried to solutionize them, they wouldnt converge and im getting oscillating residuals. Can someone please tell me where im going wrong or am i not inputing enough data for the simulation to work? Thanks in advance.

 January 15, 2013, 17:16 #2 Senior Member   Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 637 Rep Power: 14 How do you judge convergence? Oscillating residuals are more or less normal when you're running a steady simulation since most flows are not really steady. jjanakpatell likes this. __________________ We do three types of jobs here: GOOD, FAST AND CHEAP You may choose any two!

 January 16, 2013, 03:26 #3 Senior Member     siamak rahimi ardkapan Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Copenhagen, Denmark Posts: 218 Rep Power: 11 Hi I think the problem is that you have considered a turbulent case as laminar, the case is turbulent I think. As the velocity is low, you need to activate a near wall treatment model, the best is to use Two layer all y+ wall treatment. run the simulation first by running first order scheme and then if it is converged change it to the second order. __________________ Good luck Siamak

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 Originally Posted by siara817 I think the problem is that you have considered a turbulent case as laminar, the case is turbulent
I don't think this is the issue. Even when you run a turbulent case, you can often experience oscillating solutions. There's a difference between a turbulent case (which models small scale unsteady turbulence effects) and a laminar unsteady case (which models unsteady effects, but does not take small scale turbulence effects into account).

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 Originally Posted by siara817 As the velocity is low, you need to activate a near wall treatment model, the best is to use Two layer all y+ wall treatment
This does not necessarily depend on the velocity. Also a two layer model has it's restrictions, and pretty often you mix crap with crap by using a two layer model without properly adjusting your mesh to this model. It is dangerous to use a two layer model as a general advice when the one using this model does not now where the limitations are.

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 Originally Posted by siara817 run the simulation first by running first order scheme and then if it is converged change it to the second order.
When a simple case like this is set up in a proper way, you should not need to run first order before switching to second order. Your flow might not show the unsteady behaviour when running first order since it smears the solution. But when you switch back to second order, it's just a matter of time until you can see the unsteady behaviour again. So this does not help to get a non-oscillating solution. It helps only when you case diverges during the first few iterations.

I think shanefarrell needs to give some additional information to judge what the issue is.
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