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April 22, 2013, 08:43 
Hydrodynamic force?

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Hello All,
I have worked on this problem for a long time and would be happy if someone could guide me regarding my doubts. I have been working on swaying and heaving of cylinder on free surface to find out the added mass and damping. The motion of the cylinder in both cases is sinusoidal with an amplitude of 0.03 and frequency ranging from 1 to 6 rad/sec. This was chosen to compare with the experimental values. Rather than straight away calculating the added mass and mass and nondimensionalizing it, I have compared the forces obtained from the CFD simulation to the experimental values of forces. After a lot of trail and error and playing the right mesh, I managed to get very good results in swaying when compared with experiments. In this case I created a force report in the xdirection and compared with the horizontal force from the experiments.I have used morphing for both cases.(x is longitudinal, y is vertical and z is a small 3D width(3m)). I have now tried to compare results for heaving. The problem I am facing is to extract the hydrodynamic component. I have defined a number of reports and wanted to see the results from each. 1. I defined a static pressure field function. My cylinder center lies at 0,0,0. So a simple field function was defined as ($$Centroid[1] < 0) ? $Densitywater*(Centroid[1])*9.807 : 0. This would give me the staic pressure about the mean free surface line. I created a surface integral of this pressure field function to get the force component. 2. I defined a surface integral report of the total pressure field function(default). According to the definition in STAR CCM+, total pressure is the pressure when the flow is isoentropically brought to rest? Then it has both static and velocity components. 3. I defined a surface integral of the static pressure field function(default). 4. I also defined a force report in the y direction excluding shear(only pressure). When i compared all values I get no relevance . The static and total seems to be very close with the difference only about 50 N which is wrong as per the experiments. The static pressure defined by me shows values greater than the total pressure. When i check the vertical force it oscillates about a mean which is not zero. actually ,none oscillate with 0 mean, which is also understandable. So when i check the vertical force and initialize it to 0 mean and compare, it is the same as the hydrodynamic heaving force as per the experiments. I am unable to explain the results and the values of pressure and forces that STAR CCM+ gives me. Please any one there could explain. The force report as per STAR is the surface force when the body is not defined as rigid? When using rigid body simulation it includes body forces. Why am I not getting the dynamic component when i subtract the total and static? Why am I getting the dynamic component in the vertical force report? Please any reply would help me. The problem is inviscid. I have not yet applied a turbulent model. The domain is large enough not to have any wave reflection and I have also given wave damping. The cylinder oscillates on still water and waves are created only due to the oscillations. I can share the model if you need. Thanks Regards Arun 

April 22, 2013, 17:10 

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Can any one please give me some reply.?
regards Arun 

April 28, 2013, 12:55 

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I did not find any thread also which discusses about hydrodynamic force. So please advice if you know the answer. I have completed the simulation for all 6 frequencies and even the vertical force is not what i want.
Thanks Regards Arun 

May 14, 2014, 05:26 

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hey bro, I am giving you a reply.


May 14, 2014, 06:21 

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without knowing too much about your case and experiements I suggest that a standard force report on each axis should be all you need and forget about field functions etc
not sure why your static pressure field function has the if statement unless your cylinder is only half in the water at y=0 

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Hi ping, the reason why we create a filed function to calculate the static pressure is when calculating hydrodynamic coeifficients we need hydrodynamic force only. The standard force report gives a force that include the hydrostatic force. Therefore, we need to subtract the hydrostatic force from the standard force report. Do you have any better method to get hydrodynamic force?


May 14, 2014, 06:34 

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the hydrostatic components should balance out around your cylinder unless i dont understand your meaning


May 14, 2014, 06:48 

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sorry, forget to say that if we want to calculate the added mass in heave direction, we need the force in heave direction only.


May 14, 2014, 08:25 

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so it is very handy that simple force reports need to be specified in one direction in the chosen coordinate system so i think it is still very simple
also if you do really want to prove that the net hydrostatic force is zero in the horizontal axis your field function formula was incorrect since it fails to take account of the face area of each cell since force = pressure * area and you need the component of area in the heave direction too so it is hydrostaticpressure * $$Area[0] 

May 17, 2014, 10:39 

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The problem has free surface problem


May 18, 2014, 20:57 

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Hi Arun,
Not sure if I've well understood your problem but I would say that you just want to extract properly the water pressure head from pressure. Assuming you have use a FlatVOF Wave for initialization and boundaries then you can do it by creating a field function as follows: $Pressure  $HydrostaticPressureFlatVOFWave. This is close to your original field function but only identical at water surface. (Assuming your Y=0 corresponds to water surface). Best Regards, Yannaos 

June 2, 2014, 06:37 
Hi Arun

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Are you trying to get the coefficients from the generated force time history you obtained from your simulation


July 15, 2014, 09:27 

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Hi Pinto
Do you know how to do that? 

July 15, 2014, 09:38 

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Yes, I've figured out a way to do it


July 15, 2014, 09:41 

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Hi Pinto
Could you please share the method? 

July 15, 2014, 09:46 

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My apologies, I just read the thread properly and it's for star ccm. I only know how to do it for fluent


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Thanks anyway


September 17, 2014, 03:38 
Sloshing Damping Rate

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dear friends,
can anyone tell me how to find damping rate, frequency, longitudinal force for a sloshing problem in fluent 

August 29, 2017, 05:55 

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Dear friends,
I ve just found this thread which discusses about getting hydrodynamic forces in Star CCM. I m working on a multiphase maneuvering problem and trying to obtain forces and moment acting on the ship with a drift angle. I just want to get only hydrodynamic component of the forces. As you see in the attachment, the forces and moment due to fluid flow are calculated with using the static pressure. Is it possible to change it to dynamic pressure? Thanks in advance. Lazarus 

August 30, 2017, 08:37 

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you need to create your own force and moment reports by creating a special vector field function that multiply cell face area by dynamic pressure ( calculated as shown above by yannaos or your own subtraction of g * water depth from the static pressure)
then sum those face forces to get the total force and for moments create another field fuction and multiply the face force by the radial distance from each face to the center of a coordinate system and sum that field 

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