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deltaquarti October 20, 2018 11:46

Problem with cells shape
 
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Hi, I'm currently trying to mesh a Fsae car with Star Ccm+, but I have a problem with the volume mesh.
As you can see from the images, the cells on the curvature result in a strange shape on the top side of the undertray, while on the bottom side of the same part the surface is well approximated. I tried to add a custom surface control for this part, reducing the minimum surface size, but it just increased the number of cells without improvement of the geometry.
I cannot use polyhedral mesh due to limits on my pc power.
Any suggestions on how to get a better result?

me3840 October 21, 2018 03:42

Check the prisms in that area, sometimes collapsed prisms can leave marks in the surface like that.

The best way to deal with curvature like that and getting the trimmer to do what you want is to split the curved part into a new surface and define its size explicitly instead of letting curvature do it.

If you lowered the minimum size and that didn't change the surface, this means your curvature settings are too low or (in the case of no CAD projection enabled) your input surface is tessellated too coarse.

deltaquarti October 21, 2018 12:55

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Thanks for your reply.

I tried to split the curved part into a new surface and I added a custom control for that part only, increasing both the minimum size and the points of curvature, but what I obtained is a better curvature with horrible, stretched cells.

I don't understand why the surface is practically perfect under the part, while above it has all these problems.

me3840 October 21, 2018 16:45

I'm not sure, something very strange is happening. Can you post pictures of the remeshed surface and of the CAD surface? Are you using CAD projection and have CAD available?

You say you increased the minimum size and points of curvature? That's not what you'd want to do - you want to drop the minimum size and increase the number of points on a circle. If you increase the minimum, the mesh will coarsen, as you see there I think.

Are there any anisotropic volume controls active?

deltaquarti October 22, 2018 10:13

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Sorry, I meant that I reduced the minimum size. CAD projection is enabled and there are no volume controls.

The part is designed as an extruded surface.

I also noticed that the mesh gets worse under a small flap that is located there.

me3840 October 22, 2018 17:57

I don't think I've seen the trimmer do that before, I'm not sure what could cause it. What happens if you remove the prism layers?

deltaquarti October 23, 2018 09:44

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I didn't expect it: without the prism layers the mesh is practically perfect.

me3840 October 23, 2018 14:07

If you lower the prism height dramatically (like by 50%) does it improve a lot? My suspicion is there's something going on when the prism layer projects backward that makes it divide cells a lot.

deltaquarti October 24, 2018 11:24

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Yes, it really improves a lot.

me3840 October 24, 2018 16:10

That may be your answer then, I don't think you can have that fine of a surface with that thick of a prism layer. From the first section image you posted the final layer transition ratio is bad anyway, so you're really not losing anything.

deltaquarti October 25, 2018 15:15

Thanks, I'll try to change the prism layers settings in the next days to get a good mesh on that part.

deltaquarti October 27, 2018 13:02

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I was trying to change some other parameters when I obtained this, just by reducing the gap fill percentage to 0.001. I don't really know the cause of this phenomenon, probably the flap near there has a part in it.

me3840 October 28, 2018 01:13

If you reduced the gap fill percentage that far it probably just collapsed your prisms a lot, which we already know that solves the problem. You should look at a cut of the prism layers in addition to just the surface in every mesh.


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