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simone1593 February 24, 2020 09:03

Roe upwind scheme
 
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Hi everyone, I am trying to computing some aerodynamic coefficients (drag, lift, coefficient of pressure) using the Roe upwind scheme, but it doesn't converge. I tried also to use the multigrid method, but I had no success. Are there any options that might I have missed in my .cfg file?
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aero_amit February 24, 2020 12:12

Can you share the cfg file. Multigrid with Roe does not work well in SU2 (usually JST goes well) .

simone1593 February 25, 2020 15:55

Hi aero_amit, I have shared the cfg file yet (it is the txt file named wingD). I must use Roe scheme for "academic issues", is there a way to reach convergence?

pcg February 26, 2020 06:09

In my experience the multigrid works very well in hex-dominant grids, provided you are not using too many cores relative to problem size (see pull request 861 on GitHub)
My advice (based on RANS cases):
Use only pre-smoothing (1, 1, 2, 3), 2-3 levels should be enough.
0.7 damping coefficients.
Limiters tend to make the case flip flop, Venkatakrishnan-Wang works best but try using no limiter (your case is subsonic). If you really want limiters, increasing the Venkat coefficient may help.
Fixed CFL in the range 15-25, going higher sometimes makes convergence harder.
Increase the entropy fix factor until you get convergence, then worry about its influence on the solution (once you have a converged solution for initialization it is easier to converge with lower fix factors).
FGMRES + LU-SGS, no more than 10 linear iterations and tolerance of 0.05 or so should be more than enough, especially on inviscid grids.
I stay away from the low-Mach schemes / options, you can probably do without them too at Mach 0.2.

simone1593 February 26, 2020 09:14

Hi pcg, my case is an Euler one, with a low Mach (0.2). Is your advice still valid for my situation?
I have another (maybe stupid) question: I have ever studied finite difference methods right now, and for upwind schemes the CFL condition is less or equal than 1. I noticed that either in SU2 tutorial or in the other threads the suggestions take in consideration CFL numbers of 10/20/30 and so on...are the upwind schemes (like Roe's scheme, for example) still stable at such a high CFL number?

I have started using SU2 and finite volume method since a very little time, so I ignore a lot of things! :S

pcg February 27, 2020 03:24

I would say it is worth a shot.

The CFL limit depends on the (pseudo)time integration method, for explicit Euler (the integration, not the equations) it is very low like you say, Runge-Kutta methods allow slightly higher values, and implicit Euler is unconditionally stable (but the implicit part is based on an approximate linearization of the residual so there are practical limits).

simone1593 February 27, 2020 05:07

That's right, but there is a thing that I can't understand: I have two grids, a coarse one and a finer one; if I try to do the computation on the coarser grid it converges, but if I use the same options on the finer one, it does not converge. Which could be the reason?


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