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Wood February 15, 2001 01:38

Laminar or Turbulent
 
Dear All Before I use a CFD software, I must determine the flow is laminar or Turbulent. But how can I decide, especially for those unsteady flow? Sometimes we can make sure based on the Reynolds number, but I don't think it accurate. Based on experiment? How if the flow is unsteady? Please advise.

W.W.

John C. Chien (Alter Ego) February 15, 2001 09:57

Re: Turbulent or Laminar
 
A necessary condition for a turbulent flow is that the spatial gradients of the fluctuating velocities are non-zero.

For unsteady flows you just need to use a more sofisticated decomposition than Reynolds averaging, it really depends on your application.

Fred Uckfield February 15, 2001 13:12

Re: Turbulent or Laminar
 
All flows are turbulent, it's just that laminar flows don't know it yet.

John C. Chien February 15, 2001 13:58

Re: Turbulent or Laminar
 
(1). I think, it is safer to assume that the flow is turbulent in the first place. (2). But if you don't know how to model the turbulent flows, then the only option is to assume that it is laminar. (3). By the time when you have some solutions and need to do validation, you will know whether the flow is laminar or turbulent.

Wood February 16, 2001 01:15

Re: Turbulent or Laminar
 
Thank you very much. However I still wonder whether I could use experiment to testify, such as hot-wire or hot-film. Maybe this is away from CFD, but I think the combination should be better.

Regards.

Wood

John C. Chien February 16, 2001 03:51

Re: Turbulent or Laminar
 
(1). Yes, that is part of the validation.

Zhengtong Xie February 16, 2001 12:59

Re: Laminar or Turbulent
 
Yes, I think before you run your CFD code, you have to know it is turbulent flow or not. I agree with you that Re number is not a accurate index, expecially for non-common flow.

wzy February 20, 2001 22:22

Re: Laminar or Turbulent
 
I think, good turbulence modeling should be able to predict the laminar flow. I mean the Reynold strees item in Reynold time average quations should be calculated to zero by turbulece modelling in laminar flow. So, this kind of modeling can be applied to both laminar and turbulent flow.


Wood February 21, 2001 20:59

Re: Laminar or Turbulent
 
Could you please give me some information on such models? RNG?

wzy February 21, 2001 22:04

Re: Laminar or Turbulent
 
Sorry, I do not know much about this field. If this is no such a model, it will be worthwhile to develop one. What do you think?

Wood February 22, 2001 21:18

Re: Laminar or Turbulent
 
Actually, I just want to apply a suitable method to solve my problem. I can not waste my time. Thanks anyway.


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