# Laminar or Turbulent

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 February 15, 2001, 00:38 Laminar or Turbulent #1 Wood Guest   Posts: n/a Dear All Before I use a CFD software, I must determine the flow is laminar or Turbulent. But how can I decide, especially for those unsteady flow? Sometimes we can make sure based on the Reynolds number, but I don't think it accurate. Based on experiment? How if the flow is unsteady? Please advise. W.W.

 February 15, 2001, 08:57 Re: Turbulent or Laminar #2 John C. Chien (Alter Ego) Guest   Posts: n/a A necessary condition for a turbulent flow is that the spatial gradients of the fluctuating velocities are non-zero. For unsteady flows you just need to use a more sofisticated decomposition than Reynolds averaging, it really depends on your application.

 February 15, 2001, 12:12 Re: Turbulent or Laminar #3 Fred Uckfield Guest   Posts: n/a All flows are turbulent, it's just that laminar flows don't know it yet.

 February 15, 2001, 12:58 Re: Turbulent or Laminar #4 John C. Chien Guest   Posts: n/a (1). I think, it is safer to assume that the flow is turbulent in the first place. (2). But if you don't know how to model the turbulent flows, then the only option is to assume that it is laminar. (3). By the time when you have some solutions and need to do validation, you will know whether the flow is laminar or turbulent.

 February 16, 2001, 00:15 Re: Turbulent or Laminar #5 Wood Guest   Posts: n/a Thank you very much. However I still wonder whether I could use experiment to testify, such as hot-wire or hot-film. Maybe this is away from CFD, but I think the combination should be better. Regards. Wood

 February 16, 2001, 02:51 Re: Turbulent or Laminar #6 John C. Chien Guest   Posts: n/a (1). Yes, that is part of the validation.

 February 16, 2001, 11:59 Re: Laminar or Turbulent #7 Zhengtong Xie Guest   Posts: n/a Yes, I think before you run your CFD code, you have to know it is turbulent flow or not. I agree with you that Re number is not a accurate index, expecially for non-common flow.

 February 20, 2001, 21:22 Re: Laminar or Turbulent #8 wzy Guest   Posts: n/a I think, good turbulence modeling should be able to predict the laminar flow. I mean the Reynold strees item in Reynold time average quations should be calculated to zero by turbulece modelling in laminar flow. So, this kind of modeling can be applied to both laminar and turbulent flow.

 February 21, 2001, 19:59 Re: Laminar or Turbulent #9 Wood Guest   Posts: n/a Could you please give me some information on such models? RNG?

 February 21, 2001, 21:04 Re: Laminar or Turbulent #10 wzy Guest   Posts: n/a Sorry, I do not know much about this field. If this is no such a model, it will be worthwhile to develop one. What do you think?

 February 22, 2001, 20:18 Re: Laminar or Turbulent #11 Wood Guest   Posts: n/a Actually, I just want to apply a suitable method to solve my problem. I can not waste my time. Thanks anyway.

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