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MardyOwens July 31, 2021 13:48

Aliasing low frequency in Energy Spectrum
 
Hi,
I am running a case in a CFD LES software with implicit filter.
Have you ever experienced an aliasing due to the grid? The spectra in frequency with a coarser grid seems to have bigger value of energy then the same case with a finer grid. Can this be due to an aliasing caused by the grid?

FMDenaro July 31, 2021 15:47

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Originally Posted by MardyOwens (Post 809430)
Hi,
I am running a case in a CFD LES software with implicit filter.
Have you ever experienced an aliasing due to the grid? The spectra in frequency with a coarser grid seems to have bigger value of energy then the same case with a finer grid. Can this be due to an aliasing caused by the grid?




It could be an effect of aliasing (but what about your discretization of the non-linear terms?) but that could be one among other possible causes.
Could you provide details of your simulation and post the figures of the two spectra?

MardyOwens July 31, 2021 17:04

If I have an aliasing, is it possible that some terms that should have been counted as sub-grid scales, are instead counted in the lower frequency?

FMDenaro July 31, 2021 17:10

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Originally Posted by MardyOwens (Post 809443)
If I have an aliasing, is it possible that some terms that should have been counted as sub-grid scales, are instead counted in the lower frequency?




Aliasing means that the non-linear quadratic terms produce components behind the cut-off grid frequency, that is in the range of the unresolved terms.

But do not forget that the SGS model by itself acts adding a contribution only on the lower resolved frequencies. Thus, also some problems in the SGS model could generate an increasing in the resolved energy level.
Without details I cannot say more.

gnwt4a August 12, 2021 04:48

u r probably using finite differences which means aliasing from high wavenumbers is not an issue. also, the unpredictability of low resolution simulations based on truncation error for stabilization means that u must increase resolution 'sufficiently' before start considering fanciful alternatives.


also, yr domain may be too short but u have given shod-all info on yr simulation.
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FMDenaro August 12, 2021 05:18

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Originally Posted by gnwt4a (Post 810158)
u r probably using finite differences which means aliasing from high wavenumbers is not an issue. also, the unpredictability of low resolution simulations based on truncation error for stabilization means that u must increase resolution 'sufficiently' before start considering fanciful alternatives.


also, yr domain may be too short but u have given shod-all info on yr simulation.
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"using finite differences which means aliasing from high wavenumbers is not an issue"


why do you wrote that? :confused:


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