Hi Daniel,
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What is surprising is the lack of participation of many users, and with this I mean a simple comment to explain what they think about the doc project and what happened. My feeling is that if they do not consider it worth a comment, they will hardly contribute in a future. Best, |
Thanks for asking, I am still having a very hard time on writing thesis. I found post-processing is by no means easier than the preprocessing and solving, more statistical knowledge are needed. :(
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Greetings to all,
I've stumbled upon the link for the 4th OpenFOAM Workshop and scrolled through it and found near the end, the slides for the OpenFOAM-extend presentation. In the fourth slide, I found this: Quote:
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Soooo... is it really necessary to create a fork project, if OpenFOAM-extend already as enough basis for integrating the documentation project? Isn't it easier to contact the project administrators, instead of just waiting for them to say something on this thread? Because so far, I've only seen remarks about "them" not saying something on this thread, but I've also not seen remarks (or at least don't remember :( ) about contacting them and not getting a reply! Back on the post #7, the link to the thread's project was already given... so why not post there the question? The OpenFOAM-extend seems to be currently lacking the webpage for a direct list of documents, so why not join efforts with them? At the very least, the openfoamwiki can serve as front-end for accessing the documents, straight to the project's web-svn! I apologize if this looks like I'm still ranting, but ever since I got educated (although some consider it being genetic)as an engineer, I go restless if not all possible solutions are fully investigated :D Best regards, Bruno |
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A psychology student was to help a professor in conducting a personality test. The room was set up with various props in order to move through the assessment quickly. The first person to enter the room started through the test. “How does this glass of water look to you?” Person 1: It is half empty. Student writes ‘pessimist’ in his report. Person 2 enters the room. “How does this glass of water look to you?” Person 2: It is half full. Student writes ‘optimist’ in his report. Person 3 enters the room. “How does this glass of water look to you?” Person 3: Looks like you have twice as much glass as you need there. The student looks totally blank and goes to consult with the professor. “Oh them!”, the professor says, “I forgot to warn you about the engineers! They have no personality.” |
LOL!!! Paul, that is one sweet anecdote :D
Though I feel a bit misunderstood... for I believe that engineers are artists at heart! Numbers on the other hand, are for Mathematicians ;) Quote:
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I actually suggested the same thing you are suggesting, and I stated my eventual future contributions will go in -dev/-extend long ago. Just check comment #111 to this discussion where I said Quote:
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After I recognized it many times, you are not aware yet of the fact that I do not have and do not deserve the credits of the documentation project. As a consequence, even the initial assumption of your attack is unfounded. I am not looking for "more", whatever you are referring to. I am looking for a way to have a truely cooperative environment around OpenFOAM, without the need of worrying about legal problems, as those met by the documentation project created by Holger. If it were a question of "ego", at this point I would have put my ideas in practise, instead than trying to find a shared solution, exposing my ideas and suggestions here and collecting others suggestions in the common interest. Best, |
My dear friend Alberto
I am shocked and deeply hurt by what Mr. Paul Schiefer has posted. Such posts demonstrate how easly one can hide oneself behind some arbitrary ID and obstruct others to achieve something productive. Best Regards jaswi |
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Hi, dear all, this is what I think, it is very easy and takes just one word to hurt another, but it would be extraordinarily difficult and takes perhaps thousands of words to rebuild the relationship. So, I would like to ask you be at peace with one another. If you dislike whatever other guys' talks, please just simply and kindly neglect them or reply with wise words. Let's reason but with patience and kindness.
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hi dear friends!!
I also think we should put away childish behavior and should be productive. honestly, I ve followed the discussion from the beginning and now I feel to give my two cents: the documentation project is very appreciable and I think necessary to push the idea of a open source cfd project forward and I would be happy to contribute with my experience. What concerns a possible fork, my knowledge about the organisation, licence, effords to undertake, etc. is too small to give an input, but I have the impression, out of the current discussion, that the community is not ready for that. Maybe we should concentrate on how to contribute best and most effectivly in the scope of the dev/extend project. It is really impressive to me what the community has reached up till now so we should keep it up and not forget that we need a constant progress ... cheers, aram |
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your proposal is what, with some variation, most of the people that commented in this thread agree on. Re-using and contributing to an existing project is easier than starting from scratch with a new official fork, it is clear. I think there is only one additional requirement, if we want to see the documentation project back. This requirement is a change in the name of the -dev/-extend projects, since they both contain the trademark. We would simply risk to see a repetition of what already happened, with further waste of resources. An alternative is a "fork to document". In other words, a fork of one of the releases that does not add any additional feature, but is used only for documentation purposes. It is a solution adopted, for other reasons, by other projects, due to copyright and contribution problems. For example, Novell forked OpenOffice to created go-oo, now used by almost all major distributions (suse, mandriva, ubuntu, ...). Debian did the same for patching issues with Firefox/Icewseal. It is without any doubt a slightly different situation, since we want to contribute documentation and not patches, but it might be a way. I do not hide I would prefer the first solution, to have a direct connection between documentation project and one development tree. Best, |
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I've been following the thread from its beginning and it's clear that we're in the same situation that another communities have been in the past, forking for better growing, forking for documentation.
I think that OpenFOAM(R) guys won't express their opinion, it's clear in the trademark policy and when one read the forums a lot, one can see that H. ever give some things as obvious, this is another 'obvious' thing for him. Maybe the only one thing that is remaining to explore is the legal issues about openfoam-extend/-dev as wyldckat explained to us. Regards. |
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I do not know how -dev/-extend avoid troubles with the trademark policy. You know the content of their reply, but you can try to ask them yourself. On my side, I will save the time to write other private emails, since the last ones I wrote did not receive any reply. Best, |
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And secondly, I apologize for proposing (in #183) the very same thing you already had said in post #111... it was a case of unintended plagiarism :( So, I thank you and Holger for the replies and for clearing up (over and over again) the questions I've posted! Quote:
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I don't think everybody has to make huge contributions to be active part of the community, and surely it is not necessary to amaze the community with huge contributions to keep it alive and well every single day. It is much more important to have a constant flow of relatively small contributions and a network to actively share information and knowledge. Best, |
In view of the fact that there is almost no interest in the community for a fork, I think we should start considering the alternative a bit more seriously...i.e. put it up on a wiki site....I would suggest that you put it up on wikipedia or wikibooks..the reason for that is that there are lot more volunteer editors in those sites who know how wikis work and can help us make a better copy of the documentation on the wiki site...moreover there are lot of restriction on those sites which will prevent vandalism...
As alberto said it might be difficult to convert a pdf documentation into a wiki, but I dont think it would be as difficult as a complete fork. Further it would take much less work and cause much less confusion among users.. Finally we are users of a software...not all of us are programmers per se. |
Hi FOAMers,
indeed, it seems time for a bottom-line: At this point, I'd like to thank all of you for your very positive and supportive feedbacks that you have sent me. Don't stop FOAMing and contributing... best regards, |
Is the FOAM Docomentation, the thread is about still online? If yes, where can I find it?
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