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Old   June 19, 2003, 04:32
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Hi I am running transient engine simulations, and I noticed that sometimes, expecially using high order differentiation schemes, I get the "negative density found at more than 100 cells-run stopped" message close after the exhaust port opens, but when I turn on the switch n.1 the calculation goes on. Does anybody know where this "miracolous" switch acts on? Cheers Roadracer
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Old   June 19, 2003, 08:16
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Switch 1 is for the use of zero-order pressure extrapolation procedure. This may help if the flow is compressible.
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Old   June 19, 2003, 11:34
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Thank you. It means that the accuracy of the scheme is reduced to 0 order????
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Old   June 19, 2003, 12:26
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Not really - in fact this is the standard procedure for most cfd codes.
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Old   June 24, 2003, 20:12
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I assume that you get negative densities when the valve lift is very small? In which case maybe your time steps are too big and it would help if they were initially reduced and then increased leter when the valve lift increases. Also maybe your cells at the valve opening region have a big aspect ratio? In which case if you could remesh them it would also help.
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Old   June 26, 2003, 08:09
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The aspect ratios of the cells are close to unity. It certainly happens when the exhaust opens (2 stroke) and reducing the time step help to improve stability, but I donīt want to have different timesteps size during the calculation due to data postprocessing difficulties.
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Old   June 29, 2003, 23:20
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I suppose you want to keep the dt constant for animations and the like. Most avi makers usually can only take a const number of frames per second of saved screenshot files.

Why not use different load steps with the adv transient modules and decrease just those times steps when your piston passes through the exhause port? (unless you're doing FSI..). Just make sure the the reduced dt is some multiple of the base dt AND the total run time for that load step should be evenly divisible (no fractions) to your base dt.
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Old   July 4, 2003, 05:12
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This is only one of the problems. I have to extract numerical quantities from every time step, and the excel sheet I am using to monitor the engine behavious allows only a fixed time step, and because it is a 15Mb file I donīt want to modify it, so I want to keep dt constant, or write some kind of program that extracts only the wanted data....
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Old   July 6, 2003, 04:47
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I think you should not have any problems extracting monitored data as you would for .plot files. Since the load step dt is in multiples of a reference dt and since you know when exactly a load step will start, you can instruct your excel worksheet to skip iterations when processing output lines from the load steps with smaller dt. But perhaps I am trivialising your problem...?
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Old   July 7, 2003, 09:33
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Well, the problem is that everthing has grown as a cancer (Excel sheet maily) and everything relies on the constant value of dt, so I donīt want to change it. In each case the question is: does the SW1=true affect the quality of the calculation? What does it mean "0th order pressure extrapolation"? In piso, if I well remember, the pressure is not extrapolated.
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Old   July 7, 2003, 21:09
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Well, I'm not sure it pertains to the PISO solution algorithm. Maybe the extrapolation of pressure at outlets?
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Old   July 8, 2003, 06:07
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Donīt know, but I think that it acts somewhere else, because without turning on this switch the problems are in cells near the exhaust port. Probably this procedure is related to the attach boundaries.
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