# Free surface flow with air entrainment

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 October 14, 2005, 13:08 Free surface flow with air entrainment #1 Ken Guest   Posts: n/a Any hints to simulate using CFX free surface flow with air entrained into water and released at downstream? thanks.

 October 15, 2005, 15:49 Re: Free surface flow with air entrainment #2 Bak_Flow Guest   Posts: n/a Hi Ken, the "normal" free surface model (homogeneous multiphase of VOF) is not the way to go for this problem. It assumes that the 2 fluids share the same velocity field (ie locked or homogeneous) therefore the entrainment and degassing will not be well predicted. You will have to go to something like an algebraic slip or full Eulerian model. Here you still have to be careful as these models assume that all of the dispersed "phase" (although there can be more than one of them) has the same diameter which is used to calculate all of the exchange terms. In many cases it is not easy to come up with a representative diameter due to the break-up and coalescence processes...then you have to go to a more complex model! Something like MUSIG or population ballance! Good Luck Bak_Flow

 October 17, 2005, 10:56 Re: Free surface flow with air entrainment #3 Jon Guest   Posts: n/a Ken, You can do this with the inhomogeneous free-surface model. i.e. set two continuous phases, set the model to be free-surface, but do not set homogeneous. This will use the free-surface model (giving a sharp interface), but solve for two seperate velocity fields. Jon

 October 17, 2005, 14:59 Thanks.Re: Free surface flow #4 Ken Guest   Posts: n/a Thanks for all. Jon, I tried that (free surface inhomo). but i really got confused with the drag coeff. I need a big Cd to initiate air entrainment from water surface, but I doubt the value is valid for air bubbles transporting in water. If I just simply set Cd such as 0.44, there's no air entrainment at all. Any inputs?

 October 17, 2005, 23:01 Re: Thanks.Re: Free surface flow #5 Bak_Flow Guest   Posts: n/a Ken, this is what I meant earlier about the challenges in modeling the phase interaction terms in such a simplified fashon. ;-) You can play with the dispersed phase diameter and the drag correlation a bit. However, the physical processes of entrainment, break-up and coalescence, degassing etc will require more details in the model. Best of Luck, Bak_Flow

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