# NACA0012 Convergence Problems

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 November 18, 2005, 06:18 NACA0012 Convergence Problems #1 StudentAndrew Guest   Posts: n/a I am currently running simulations for a NACA0012 aerofoil at various angles of attack and am having problems with convergence, currently at AoA=10deg, in 15m/s flow. I am running the simulation as a steady state problem for 70 or so iterations with a local timestep factor of 5. I am then using these results to perform a transient simulation. I have tried a few different combinations of time steps, total times and iterations per timestep (for eg 0.1s 10 iterations per step for 5s up to 2s with 5 iterations per step for 80s) but the problem still won't converge! My convergence criteria is only 1e-04 RMS which I wouldnt think would be too difficult to achieve, especially at a relatively low AoA. I am using the SST turbulence model with turbulence Eddy dissipation. Does anyone have any ideas as to where I may be going wrong? Any suggestions will be much appreciated!!! Thanks, Andrew

 November 18, 2005, 06:22 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #2 StudentAndrew Guest   Posts: n/a What is happening, by the way, is that the simulation is tha the convergence graph is oscillating (which I'm I guess it should be doing for a transient run) but not diverging at the same time to hit 1e-04, so the simulation is stopping when the total time is reached, rather than the criteria is met. Thanks! Andrew

 November 18, 2005, 10:43 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #3 longbow Guest   Posts: n/a To figure out the cause of convergence problem, you probably want to identify where is the maximum residual located. This will give you an idea whether the problem is caused by bad mesh quality or transient phenomena, like separation or vortex shedding.

 November 18, 2005, 11:58 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #4 James Date Guest   Posts: n/a Its worth seeing if you can get a nice converged solution using the k-e turbulence model then once you have that cracked move onto the SST. Even use the k-e converged solution as the intial guess. I found that using the correct y+ value was the key to getting good convergence. Its always with starting with a coarse grid and getting good convergence and building up to a high resolution mesh. I did a lot of work solving flows around the NACA0012 a few years back. If you want a copy of my results, give me a shout and i'll pdf them to you.

 November 20, 2005, 13:10 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #5 StudentAndrew Guest   Posts: n/a Hi James, Thanks for the advice. Your NACA0012 data would probably be really useful if you could send it to me! Thanks again, Andrew

 November 21, 2005, 06:41 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #6 DAK565656 Guest   Posts: n/a James, were there any problems with drag? Have you obtained good results?

 November 21, 2005, 07:49 Re: NACA0012 Convergence Problems #7 James Date Guest   Posts: n/a Andrew, send me your email address and i'll send you a copy of my results. The reference for this work is: "Performance prediction of high lift rudders operating under steady and periodic flow conditions", PhD Thesis, University of Southampton, 2001, James Date, British Library location: DSC DXN049180 DAK - I found a slight over prediction in drag at low AoA using the both the standard an RNG k-e models. This was probably due to the laminar/turbulent transition not being accounted for. James

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