# first grid size and y-plus

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 February 2, 2011, 18:18 first grid size and y-plus #1 Senior Member     Morteza Join Date: May 2010 Location: Iran,Islamic Republic of Posts: 161 Rep Power: 8 hi i am going to model a turbulent flow over a flat plate. if i want to extract a given y-plus, how can i set the first grid size? is there any formula to calculate the distance between wall and first grid in a given flow? thank you in advance

 February 2, 2011, 21:51 #2 Senior Member   Real Name :) Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States Posts: 193 Rep Power: 8 The first grid height can be set easily when you're first meshing the problem (Gambit, ANSYS Meshing, etc..). After the mesh has already been created, fluent has some adaptation routines for refining the mesh near walls/boundaries, assuming they've been named. Have a look through the manual: Adapting Grids As far as the required spacing, have a look here:http://geolab.larc.nasa.gov/APPS/YPlus/

 February 3, 2011, 03:59 #3 New Member   Amir Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shiraz,Iran Posts: 12 Rep Power: 7 Hi morteza, note that y+ is a function of u*,nu and y. therefore you should compute average y+ on your plate. because u* varies along the plate , to obtain the same y+ over it , you ought to use non uniform grid that is not reasonable. I think a try and error procedure over averaged y+ using adaptation tools in FLUENT can be helpful.

 February 3, 2011, 10:22 #4 Senior Member   Join Date: Nov 2009 Posts: 411 Rep Power: 11 The y+ calculators are usually based on formulas for the flat plate. However you can successfully use them for curved surfaces (airfoils) using a bit of trial and error. If you are interested in the underlying theory check: Anderson - Fundamentals of Aerodynamics

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 Originally Posted by ComputerGuy The first grid height can be set easily when you're first meshing the problem (Gambit, ANSYS Meshing, etc..). After the mesh has already been created, fluent has some adaptation routines for refining the mesh near walls/boundaries, assuming they've been named. Have a look through the manual: Adapting Grids As far as the required spacing, have a look here:http://geolab.larc.nasa.gov/APPS/YPlus/
hi deAR friend
the calculator that you have sent its link for me , is for which turbulence model?

 February 4, 2011, 19:46 #6 Senior Member   Real Name :) Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: United States Posts: 193 Rep Power: 8 It's turbulence-model-independent. Please see the following:http://www.cfd-online.com/Wiki/Dimen..._wall_distance

 February 4, 2011, 20:06 RE:first grid size and y-plus #7 New Member   cfd_mistry_science Join Date: Feb 2011 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0 The y+ value is u*.y/nu, where y is the distance to the nearest wall. and this is your first grid size. u* you can take 1-5% of the bulk velocity and nu is the local kinematic viscosity and it depends upon the fluid is gas or liquid. But i take the same as the bulk fluid is in the computation. but it varies if flow is multiphase then nu will be different. then if you want the y+ value 0.1 or less then this value then you can calculate the y value with above equation and this will be your first grid size.

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