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Old   June 24, 2003, 09:23
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hello everybody

From the (legendry) book of Suhas Patankar we know the formulation of the flow computation for in-compressible flow. I have myself written codes for constant density and variable density in-compressible flows but can somebody tell me how to compute "COMPRESSIBLE" flow ? My flow is sub-sonic so much consideration abt transonic etc is not required. Also can somebody tell me how FLUENT computes COMPRESSIBLE flow ?

The only ref I could get is "PhD thesis of KC Karki" which was written under guidance of Suhas Patankar only.

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Old   June 25, 2003, 06:38
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There are 2 issues involved to extend to compressible flow: 1. density treatment in continuity equation (density change in other transport equations is the same as variable-density incompressible flow) and 2. boundary conditions.

When deriving pressure correction equation, you have u_new=u_old+u', and density_new=density_old+density'

so mass flux = density_new*u_new*area = mass_flux_old + density_old*u'*area + u_old*density'*area + density'*u'*area

The last term can be neglected, and compared to incompressible flow, you have extra term and you can link density' to p' by ideal gas law.

Boundary conditions: for example subsonic inlet - you have to have 2 types of inlets: fixed mass and fixed velocities. The pressure at inlet is extrapolated from interior, and since temperature is fixed, you have changing density. If mass fixed, then normal velocity to the inlet surface has to change. If velocity fixed, then mass flux has to change.

Just the idea.
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Old   June 25, 2003, 07:24
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Thank you Mr John. Actually with the above concepts I derived the pressure correction equation but it does not satisfy the condition aP= aE + aW + aN + aS . this is because we have rho_e, rho_n etc like terms which bring P'_e , P'_n etc like terms and no matter whether one uses central differencing or upwinding for density , one gets an equation where aP is slightly different from aE + aW + aN + aS . Am I write ? Also in FLUENT , they use some " density equation" but I wonder how do they derive it ?
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Old   June 26, 2003, 01:31
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Abhijeet,

I guess the following paper may be helpful:

K.C. Karki, S.V. Patankar, "Pressure Based Calculation Procedure for Viscous Flows at All Speeds in Arbitrary Configurations", AIAA J v27 n9, 1989.

> Also in FLUENT , they use some " density equation" but I wonder how do they derive it ?

I am not familiar with Fluent, but it may refer to the other possibility of solving compressible flows (usually with M>0.3). In this method, in contrast to the pressure-based methods, density (rather than pressure) is one of the solved variables - it is the conserved variable in the continuity equation. This method is straightforward, but difficulties are encountered for incompressible flows, where density is constant, and it is not linked to the pressure via an equation of state. The same applies (to a lesser degree) for low-Mach flows as well. This was the motivation for devising the pressure-based methods.

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Old   June 26, 2003, 01:58
Default Thanks to Rami & John
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Old   June 27, 2003, 07:27
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AP is NOT equal to AE+AW+AN+AS in compressible flow formula. Indeed using your structured mesh concept, AP is equal to AE_of_WEST_CELL + AW_of_EAST_CELL + AN_of_SOUTH_CELL + AS_of_NORTH_CELL and the matrix is no longer symmetry.
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