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February 27, 2004, 23:00 
momentum source term

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Hello everybody,
I am simulating species transportation with the source term in one fluid zone. I only have the clear mass (kg/m3s) parameter from experiments. I don't know exactly momentum source parameter, Renold stress parameters(UU, UV,..) either. So I only add the mass source term in my simulation. In the period of iteration, Reverse Flow appears. The results diverged. I am thinking that if the reason is the missing of momentum source term , TKE, Dissipation source term, and Renold stress source term. Could anybody tell me that the way I add the source term is right or wrong? I have no experiences for adding source term. Must I add each source term usually or some specific source terms depending on different cases? Thanks in advance for your time and kindness. Have good weekend. Zwdi 

September 28, 2010, 01:36 
Adding momentum source terms in multiphase eulerian simulation

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Hello All,
I'm carrying out multiphase eulerian simulation in porous media to estimate pressure drop and liquid hold up. Addition of momentum source terms in both the phases (gas & liquid) have been reported in literature which I've incorporated through UDF as well however my simulation diverges pretty fast. Momentum source terms: Liq phase: (l) (1alpha)/k_liq*(A*Rel/Gal + B*Rel^2/Gal)*rho_l*g Gas phaseg) alpha/k_gas*(A*Reg/Gag + B*Reg^2/Gag)*rho_g*g where alpha = gas vol fraction, A & B = Ergun coeff, Re = Reynolds no, Ga = Galileo no, rho = density, g = 9.81 m/sec2 k = relative permeability for liq & gas phase Gas phase momentum transfer UDF for example: DEFINE_SOURCE(gas_phase_xmom_source,c,t,dS,eqn) { real x_vel_l, y_vel_l, abs_U, rho_l, drv1_g, drv2_g, Fg,drv, mu_l, x_vel_g, y_vel_g, rho_g, mu_g, void_g, Reg, Gag, E0, eps, sg, kg, source; /* find phase velocities and properties*/ x_vel_g = C_U(c,t); y_vel_g = C_V(c,t); rho_g = C_R(c,t); /*Gas Density*/ mu_g = C_MU_L(c,t); /*Gas Viscosity*/ abs_U=sqrt(x_vel_g*x_vel_g + y_vel_g*y_vel_g); void_g = C_VOF(c,t); /* gas vol frac*/ Reg = rho_g*abs_U*dp/(mu_g*(1ep)); Gag = pow(rho_g,2)*g*pow(dp,3)*pow(ep,3)/(pow(mu_g,2)*pow(1ep,3)); E0 = rho_l*g*pow(dp,2)*pow(ep,2)/(sigma * pow((1ep),2)); /*Eotvos no*/ eps = 1.0/(20.0 + 0.9*E0);/*static liq hold up*/ sg = 1.0  eps/ep; kg = pow(sg,4.80); /*Momentum source Term*/ Fg = (void_g*rho_g*g/kg)*(E1*Reg/Gag + E2*pow(Reg,2)/Gag); drv1_g = E1*rho_g*dp/(mu_g*(1ep)); drv = rho_g*dp/(mu_g*(1ep)); drv2_g = E2*2*abs_U*pow(drv,2); source = Fg; /* derivative of source term w.r.t. xvelocity. */ dS[eqn] = void_g*rho_g*g/kg*(drv1_g*E1*Reg/Gag + drv2_g*E2*pow(Reg,2)/Gag); return source; } Is there any suggestion to correct it? Any suggestion will be highly appreciated. Regards, SM 

May 6, 2011, 13:46 
porous media trickle bed

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Hii Subha
I am working on trickle bed reactor with porous media concept exactly similar to your work. It seems like you have used momentum source terms instead of viscous resistance values. Or have you used both? Can you tell me which drag law you have applied for gas and liquid phase and the boundary conditions? It will be of great help as I am running out of time. 

May 6, 2011, 23:02 
Trickle Bed Reactor_mometum source model

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Hello Avik,
Well, I've spent sometime to build up this model since this post however validation with experimental data is still pending. The porous media model can be built using both "viscous and inertial resistance" and "momentum source" (I strongly believe so). In both case, you need closure equations from "Relative permeability model" of Saez and Carbonell (1985)AICHE journal. You can either keep the porosity uniform or variable. If you want to vary it, then a radial porosity distribution function proposed by Mueller et al (1994) is suggested. Hope it helps. 

May 6, 2011, 23:08 
Trickle bed reactor_porous media model

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Forgot to mention that you need to calculate boundary conditions by solving "phenomenological models"  proposed any of those by Holub et al(1992,1993), Larachi et al (1990), Wammes et al (1990,1991), Ellman et al (1990).
For gasliquid interaction term, you can do the followings > use none considering loss against solid phase is much more than gasliquid interaction > Use Attou et al's (1999) fluid fluid interaction model Hope it helps SM 

May 7, 2011, 01:53 

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Hii Subha
Thanks a lot for your reply. Regarding the boundary conditions:


May 7, 2011, 03:26 
Trickle bed reactor_porous media

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Hello Abhik,
1. Using backflow volume fraction is tricky in FLUENT for EE multiphase flow. I suggest to use "dispersed phase" i.e. secondary phase volume fraction to set "0" at outlet. Outflow BC is used normally for unconfined flow and it never gives a good prediction of pressure drop. So a pressure outlet BC is always recommended. 2. For theoretical computation, if you use Ergun equation then you will get single value for resistances which is not correct. You need to calculate this resistances from Saez & Carbonell (1985) formulation which uses relative permeability for both phases and gives different resistances. And if you have experimental data for pressure drop then it's OK. 3. Modeling of porous media model using momentum source terms is another way if you do not use porous media module. It's mutually exclusive. Hope it helps, SM 

May 7, 2011, 04:02 

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Hii Subha
The information in your reply is of great help. If I am specifying momentum source UDF, then can I specify viscous coefficients as well along with this UDF or only one of these two should be used? 

July 17, 2013, 07:56 

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In fluent there is only possibility of defining momentum source in either x,y & z directions. If we want to define momentum source over a cylinder, then how to do this in fluent. Hey guys please help me regarding this, as this option is not there in fluent.
Thanks in Advance... 

July 17, 2013, 19:05 
momentum souce term

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I don't think it should be a problem for cylindrical geometry. In cylinder, we need to define the axial and radial momentum source terms which I believe can be done specifying the source term in 'y' direction to account for axial and 'x' & 'z" directions (should be same) to account for the radial change.
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December 4, 2013, 03:55 

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Quote:
Thanks in Advance. 

December 4, 2013, 18:39 
Momentum source term in cylindrical geometry

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If this momentum source term is constant, you need to enter this value to
cell zone condition> fluid> source term > x and z momentum. If this source term changes with velocity or any other parameters, you need to specify it using UDF (sample UDF for momentum source term is provided in FLUENT UDF manual). Hope it helps,
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December 5, 2013, 04:30 

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Hi subha_meter, thanks for ur kind time. As my source term is constant. if i put this constant value in the x and z momentum source, then the flow from the cylinder comes out in the direction that is resultant of the x & z. But not in radial directions.
Can u plz help me out as early as possible. as i have t start the simulation. Thanks in advance. 

December 5, 2013, 18:58 

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You need to realize that it's not possible to get direct access to radial direction in Cartesian Coordinate which is native to Cylindrical Coordinate system.
The radial direction can only be achieved in Cartesian system if you take resultant of X & Z direction (horizontal and radial plane) while keeping the Y axis perpendicular to the X & Z plane. Alternatively, you can construct a 2D axisymmetric mesh (axis BC on the vertical/perpendicular axis  X direction) and define the radial source term along the Y axis which should solve the problem.
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