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 July 3, 2005, 13:07 asymmetry #1 Anmol Guest   Posts: n/a Hi, I am solving flow around an airfoil with triagular mesh at a Reynold's # ~1,000,000. The pressure distribution is not exactly symmetrical. I tried grid refinement and reducing residuals but it helps little. If anyone can suggest a reason, I would be really thankful. Regards, Anmol

 July 3, 2005, 15:32 Re: asymmetry #2 Jason Guest   Posts: n/a Tet meshes run into problems like this. Grid refinement will help, but you have to refine the entire flow field, not just local to the model. Even a quad mesh may run into this if the mesh is different above and below the model. The best recommendation I have is to use a structured mesh (quad mesh). This way you can control the mesh above and below the airfoil and create a symmetrical mesh above and below the airfoil. Unfortunately due to numerical averaging, you may still get a small amount of lift on the airfoil. Run the model at a couple of angles of attack to calculate a Cnalpha... then use this to calculate the rotational error in your 0deg model. Odds are it's VERY small. I've been told a couple of other tricks that are supposed to help (unfortunately I was told these after that project was over, so I did not get a chance to test it and see if it works). These tricks are for the segregated solver, not sure how well they'd carry over to the coupled solver (be careful of your Mach number... Coupled solver does do some pre-conditioning to allow for low speed flow analysis, but the segregated solver is typically a better choice for low speed flow). When you initialize the solution, initialize it closer to stagnation than to freestream... i.e. initialize the solution with a velocity about 25 to 50% of the freestream velocity and calculate at a static pressure at this speed that results in the same total pressure as the freestream. Also, the PISO scheme for Pressure-Velocity Coupling is supposed to help. Like I said, I never got to try these, so I'm not sure if they're going to work. One other thing... you mention "reducing residuals"... I'm guessing that you're talking about reducing the convergence criteria for the residuals... Are you monitoring the forces on the airfoil to make sure they really are converged? Judging convergence only by the residuals is dangerous because of all of the normalizing and what-not that they go through before they are presented. Your residuals can be very low, or leveled off, but the forces are still leveling off to a converged value... It's very important that you monitor whatever it is you're trying to get out of the model to make sure it's converged! Hope this helps, and good luck, Jason

 July 4, 2005, 03:29 Re: asymmetry #3 Luca Guest   Posts: n/a I run into the same problem( well, it's not such a dangerous problem...) I had a simmetric profile on a wing, with a simmetric hexaedral mesh. At 0 deg the lift is not perfectly null but nearly. No problem! Luca

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