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Old   September 30, 2011, 17:31
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Hello everyone,

I encountered convergence problem when I tried to do simulation of a turbine. I have spent more than two weeks but still can not fix the thing. So hopefully you would help me figure it out or give me some suggestions.

The model is a three-stage turbine. We may call it 'baseline' (Fig. 1 top-left). Then I added endwall contouring on the first rotor (R1), named as 'contoured' (Fig. 1 top-right). For these two case, everything is fine. Usually it takes 300 time steps to get converged. Then I went to 'baseline with purge' (Fig. 1 bottm-left) which has purge flow at upstream of R1. This case also got converged in 500 time steps. After this, I applied purge flow to contoured case 'contoured with purge' (Fig. 1 bottom-right). Then the trouble keeps bothering me. By the way, the turbulence model is SST model.

At the beginning, I used High Resolution for both Advection Scheme and Turbulence Numerics. I got smooth but pretty high residual for Mass (red curve in Fig. 2) and Heat Transfer (Fig. 3), which is much higher (1-2 orders) than what I got from previous cases. This was due to the imbalance within R1. At the same time, the unreasonable result which was not physics was obtained computational domain R1, see temperature distribution in Fig. 4.

Then I tried to enhance the quality of the mesh several times. It never works. So I realized it should not be the problem of mesh, as I used the similar mesh for previous case successfully. I also tried to change the boundary conditions. It did not work either.

Finally, I turned to Timescale. This time I set local timescale factor as 5, using First Order and blender factor 0.75. Although the residual looks better than before (Fig. 5), the residual significantly increased after 500 time steps and became to oscillate. It is quite strange that the high RMS-Mass was found in R3 but not in R1 and thus the temperature distribution in R1 seems reasonable. But I did not see any trend that the residual may drop to less than 1e-6 as previous cases which were all converged. Moreover, after I changed back to physical timescale and high resolution scheme, R1 became my headache again. So my questions are:

1. Does the strong unsteady property of the flow cause this problem?

2. Since the strong unsteady property exists in the 'baseline with purge' too, does the complicated geometry of the endwall contouring lead to instabilities?

3. Could I use the results calculated with local timescale factor as final results?

4. What is the possible solution for this problem if I can not afford to perform transient calculation?

This bothered me a lot, so I eagerly look forward to your solutions or suggestions. Thank you very much.
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File Type: jpg RMS-Heat Transfer.jpg (94.9 KB, 39 views)
File Type: jpg cases.jpg (42.4 KB, 49 views)
File Type: jpg RMS-momentum and mass.jpg (91.4 KB, 46 views)

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