CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > OpenFOAM > OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD

temperature expansion in fluid unequal to flow velocity

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   July 14, 2020, 09:39
Default temperature expansion in fluid unequal to flow velocity
  #1
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
PSander is on a distinguished road
I am working with chtMultiRegionFoam on OF7 and trying to solve a transient calculation. The geometry is one fluid surrounded by an inner (tube) and an outer solid (soil) and I want to simulate heat expansion between the fluid and solids.

So far the model is working, but if I check the results I face the problem that the temperature expansion inside the fluid is not matching the fluids velocity.
The internal temperature of the fluid is 283°K and the inflow from the inlet has 303°K with a velocity of 1 m/s.

So my idea was that after 100 seconds of flow with a velocity of 1 m/s the fluid with 303°K should have travelled approximately 100 meters.
But it seems to have travelled only about 20-30 meters.

I checked already the scale of the mesh, it is definitively 100 meters long and not for example 1000m, the velocity is 1 m/s.
As well I played with gravitation, changed it between x, y and z axis with different directions and values but without any change.

I tried to figure out if T and U are not connected, but as well this seems not to be the problem.

Do you have any idea/hint where to look at? It would be great help to me.
In the .zip you find my case.

To create the mesh I use
"blockMesh" and "splitMeshRegions -cellZones -overwrite".

Thank you in adavance!
Attached Files
File Type: zip case_setup.zip (40.8 KB, 3 views)
PSander is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 17, 2020, 19:55
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Joachim Herb
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 650
Rep Power: 21
jherb is on a distinguished road
I might be related to the under-relaxation you are doing (relaxation factors < 1). Then the result is not really reached for each time step, so your fields get smeared out.



Try using (much) more then 1 nOuterCorrectors. This has to be set in the system/fvSolution file (and not in the system/fluid/fvSolution file for chtMultiRegionFoam.
jherb is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 20, 2020, 08:28
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
PSander is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by jherb View Post
I might be related to the under-relaxation you are doing (relaxation factors < 1). Then the result is not really reached for each time step, so your fields get smeared out.



Try using (much) more then 1 nOuterCorrectors. This has to be set in the system/fvSolution file (and not in the system/fluid/fvSolution file for chtMultiRegionFoam.

Thank you for your help!
Increasing nOuterCorrectors as you said fixed my problem. I choosed now 50 instead of 1.

Do you recommend to increase the relaxation factors? Because with values of 0.9 or higher I get after a short time the error of negative initial temperatures. So far I am working with 0.5, 0.75 should be possible without collapsing.
PSander is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 21, 2020, 09:12
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Joachim Herb
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 650
Rep Power: 21
jherb is on a distinguished road
Lower relaxation factor means more stable solution, but also might need more time. Higher factor might crash your solution. So it is always a trade-off.



Take a look at the tutorials for the outerCorrectorResidualControl settings. Then the PIMPLE loop is stopped, if the required resdiual settings are reached. So you do not have to wait for all nOuterCorrectors iteration.
jherb is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   July 27, 2020, 13:12
Default
  #5
New Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2020
Posts: 26
Rep Power: 6
PSander is on a distinguished road
Thank you a lot, this worked perfect for me.
PSander is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Error message: Insufficient Catalogue Size Paresh Jain CFX 32 February 3, 2021 03:37
Closed Domain Buoyancy Flow Problem Madhatter92 CFX 6 June 20, 2016 21:05
An error has occurred in cfx5solve: volo87 CFX 5 June 14, 2013 17:44
Bulk mean fluid temperature in internal flow mssound FLUENT 0 May 13, 2010 15:56
what the result is negatif pressure at inlet chong chee nan FLUENT 0 December 29, 2001 05:13


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 15:24.