CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > CFX

Multi_component Vs Additional Variable

Register Blogs Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   February 2, 2005, 15:08
Default Multi_component Vs Additional Variable
Posts: n/a
Hi All, I am doing a transient simulation of a porous media in which a very small quantity (compared to the size of the domain) of fluid (A) is injected into the domain. For this I am using multi-component option, where dmain fluid (B) is treated as constraint and the fluid (A) is injected as transport equation.

In another attempt I am injecting the same fluid (A) into the domain (B) as an additional variable. I am using "opening boundary condition" and at the boundary I specify value of additional variable fluid (A) = 0 to make sure that all the fluid (A) remains inside the domain (Similar to tutorial # 4).

I am using the same diffusion coefficient in both the cases. I was expecting the same result in both the cases but it is coming out to be different.

My questions:

2) What is the reason behind the difference between the two results?

3) When we define fluid (A) as an additional variable, we don't have any option of defining the other properties of the fluid (A), such as physical state, density, molecular weight, thermal conductivity .. etc. how to define these properties ?

4) In tutorial # 4 smoke is used as an additional variable, which is injected into the "Air" domain. Do we treat "smoke" as a material? Do we take the properties of smoke same as that of Air?

5) Is it possible to inject a material into the domain as an additional variable? This way i can assign other properties also.

thanks for reading my problem.

  Reply With Quote

Old   February 3, 2005, 12:57
Default Re: Multi_component Vs Additional Variable
Posts: n/a

In Tutorial 4, when the Domain is created, the chosen fluid is Air at 25 C. Therefore it is the only fluid existing in the Domain, and at any boundary. So, the fluid entering through the Vent boundary is Air at 25 C, whether there is or there isn't an additional variable.

The additional variable smoke is modelled by a transport equation (see CFX-5.6 Manual, Solver Theory, Basic Solver Capability Theory, page 32), and it does not influence the flow field. That is, the flow field will be the same with or without the additional variable. This is not true if you set the fluid (Air at 25 C) properties as function of the additional variable.

In CFX-Post, at the Vent boundary, when you chose the variable smoke (hybrid) you can see that it has the value 1 kg/m3, which is what you set as the boundary condition for smoke. When you chose smoke.Specific (hybrid) you see it has the value 0.84, smoke.Specific=smoke/ro = (1kg/m3)/(1.185kg/m3); 1.185 kg/m3 is the density of Air at 25 C. You may regard that value, 0.84, as the smoke mass fraction, only if you assume that the smoke density is the same as the air density.

Imagine that the smoke density is 4 kg/m3. If in 1 m3 you have 1 kg of smoke, it occupies 0.25 m3, and the rest of the volume, 0.75 m3, is occupied by air. As the air density is 1.185 kg/m3, on that volume there will be 0.889 kg of air. The mass fraction of smoke will be therefore 1kg/(1kg+0.889kg)=0.53. If the smoke density was that of the air, 1.185 kg/m3, its mass fraction would be 0.84.

If you model the fluid as a mixture of components, the density used in the momentum equations will be obtained by Eqn.12 (in CFX-5.6 Manual, Solver Theory, Basic Solver Capability Theory, page 30). The viscosity also used in the momentum equations, as well as other fluid properties, will be obtained by Eqn.13. So, you will only obtain the same results with an additional variable and with a mixture of 2 components, if those 2 components have the same properties. Note that this is not allways true as the limit for the mass fraction of any component is 1, while there is not limit for smoke.Specific.

About your question 5, I think it shall be possible, if you create an expression for the mass fraction of a component as a function of the additional variable, and the fluid properties as function of that mass fraction. But if you model the problem as a mixture of components, in CFX-Pre in the Material Editor window, when you create your mixture, check the Advanced Property Override box and then you can define any mixture property as a function of mass fractions, and/or of other variables. The way CFX calculates by default the mixture properties is described in CFX-5.6 Manual, Solver Modeling, Basic Capabilities Modeling, pages 39-44.

By the way, when you have an Opening B.C. and specify the value of additional variable fluidA=0, it doesn't prevent fluidA from leaving the domain through that boundary, it just prevents fluidA from entering through it. That is, if the fluid is flowing into the domain through that boundary, the quantity of fluidA flowing in is zero.


  Reply With Quote

Old   February 4, 2005, 16:45
Default Re: Multi_component Vs Additional Variable
Posts: n/a
Dear Rui,

Thank you very much for detaied reply. it answered all of my doubts.

i put the same question to CFX tech support also. i am sending their reply. it might be useful for others.

# An additional variable is treated like a neutral tracer, i.e. a fluid that has the same properties as the primary fluid but can diffuse within it. Its presence or absence does not affect the properties of the fluid and there are no buoyancy effects associated with it.

Consider a domain filled with air. If we tag a certain volume of air by making it radioactive, say, then we have a tracer that has the same properties as the main fluid but has a distinct identity that we could track. We could do this accurately with an additional variable- that's the approach that's adopted in Tutorial #4.

# You're introducing slightly more overhead when you treat the flow as multicomponent, but you are also making fewer approximations. If you want the concentration or mass fraction of A to affect the fluid properties or if the densities are different such that buoyancy effects are important, then you should treat the problem as a multicomponent flow.

# A specific additional variable has implied units of kg/kg while a volumetric additional variable has units of kg/m^3. The two values are related by:

Volumetric Additional Variable = Specific Additional Variable*Fluid Density

Be careful- if the flow is laminar, and the two fluid densities are different, then buoyancy could exert an important effect on the flow, since any convection due to it could conceivably swamp the effect of molecular diffusion.

# You can't define it a new material and inject it as an additional variable- by definition an additional variable acts like a neutral tracer and does not affect the properties of a mixture containing it.

# When you set the value of a variable to be zero at an opening, you are not forcing that variable to remain inside the domain. Flow can both enter and leave the domain at an opening. If flow leaves the domain, the code will use the local prevailing value for that variable when computing the flux out. It's only when flow enters the domain (i.e. acting like an inlet) that the specified variable value at the opening is used

best regards
  Reply With Quote


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Additional Variable tav98f CFX 3 April 28, 2011 12:33
emag beta feature: charge density charlotte CFX 4 March 22, 2011 09:14
Additional variable John CFX 2 October 16, 2008 05:33
Problems with additional variable Krishna Premi CFX 1 October 29, 2007 08:19
Replace periodic by inlet-outlet pair lego CFX 3 November 5, 2002 20:09

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 05:44.