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Old   March 16, 2011, 06:05
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hi amir
when I launched fluent from visual studio x64 win64 command prompt (2010) the above problem was solved!
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I proposed you to check the UDF for a simple case(validate it). I didn't check it's accuracy before.

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Dear Amir
I compiled this udf without any error. but when I run the program I get this error:
FLUENT received fatal signal (ACCESS_VIOLATION)
1. Note exact events leading to error.
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Error Object: #f
do you know what should I do?
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Old   April 30, 2011, 16:20
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Hi Iman,
before running your problem with this UDF, you have to set the number of user variables in DPM panel. (you have used one user variable)
Define->models->DPM->UDF-> set the No. of scalars to 1
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hi amir
I did it, but it doesn't work!again I got this error.
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Hi,
in addition to above settings, try this code:
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# include "udf.h"
int n=0;
DEFINE_DPM_BODY_FORCE(particle_body_force,p,i)
{
Thread *t=P_CELL_THREAD(p);
cell_t c=P_CELL(p);
real bforce;
if(n==0) p->user[0]=0.0;
if (CURRENT_TIME>1.5*CURRENT_TIMESTEP)
{
bforce= (1.5e-20)*((C_U(c,t)-C_U_M1(c,t))/CURRENT_TIMESTEP-(P_VEL(p)[0]-p->user[0])/CURRENT_TIMESTEP);
}
else
{
bforce=0.0;
}
p->user[0]=P_VEL(p)[0];
n+=1;
return bforce;
}
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Old   May 2, 2011, 09:39
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hi amir
did you compile this udf?when I build it, it's ok,but when I load this udf I have this error:
open_udf_library: The system cannot find the file specified.
I tried to consider all above things.
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Hi,
yes of course; I also track particles with it !!!
when this error appears, it means that the libudf file is not created, so notice your compiling procedure or check that in different case files.
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hi amir
this udf works for steady particle tracking, but when I want to apply it for unsteady particle tracking, after 2 or 3 iteration,I have this error again.do you know what's wrong?
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Hey Iman,
I've checked that for 10 time step and it worked ! ensure that you've done this:
Define->models->DPM->UDF-> set the No. of scalars to 1
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Dear amir
thanks for your support
I am concerned with new case that I need to write a new UDF for Drag force, but I received several errors. Please compile this udf to see what can we do with these errors. I enclosed my udf.
thank you so much.

#include "udf.h"
#define dp 50e-9
#define sigma_square 1.35305239e-19
#define ambpress 101325
#define Boltzmann 1.3806505e-23
#define PI 3.14159265358979323846
#define SQRT_2 1.414213566237309504880


DEFINE_DPM_DRAG(particle_drag_force,Re,p)
{

real drag_force,MeanFreePath,Nu,W;

face_t face;
cell_t cell;
Thread *c_thread;
Thread *f_thread;

MeanFreePath=Boltzmann*F_T(face,f_thread)/(
sigma_square*(F_P(face,f_thread)+ambpress)*
PI*SQRT_2);

Nu=MeanFreePath/dp;

W=-0.1695-0.3881*(double log (double Re))+1.1722/(double sqrt (double Re))+(-0.1389)/Re+1.7637*(double exp (double (-Nu));

particle_drag_force=(double exp (double W));

return (drag_force);

}
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Hi,
you were trying to set real value to string one!
try this:
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#include "udf.h"
#define dp 50e-9
#define sigma_square 1.35305239e-19
#define ambpress 101325
#define Boltzmann 1.3806505e-23
#define PI 3.14159265358979323846
#define SQRT_2 1.414213566237309504880


DEFINE_DPM_DRAG(particle_drag_force,Re,p)
{

real drag_force,MeanFreePath,Nu,W;

face_t face;
cell_t cell;
Thread *c_thread;
Thread *f_thread;

MeanFreePath=Boltzmann*F_T(face,f_thread)/(
sigma_square*(F_P(face,f_thread)+ambpress)*
PI*SQRT_2);

Nu=MeanFreePath/dp;

W=-0.1695-0.3881*log(Re)+1.1722/sqrt(Re)+(-0.1389)/Re+1.7637*exp(-Nu);

drag_force=exp(W);

return (drag_force);

}
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Hi Amir
I compiled this code, it has no error but it has two warnings:
uninitialized local variable 'f_thread' used
uninitialized local variable 'face' used
but when I want to initialize my case I have ACCESS_VIOLATION error. does it relate to initialize them?
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Hi Amir
I compiled this code, it has no error but it has two warnings:
uninitialized local variable 'f_thread' used
uninitialized local variable 'face' used
but when I want to initialize my case I have ACCESS_VIOLATION error. does it relate to initialize them?
thank you for your help
No, your algorithm is not right; in your previous post, I just corrected your bad assignment but I didn't notice to other parts.(maybe that's my fault)
Anyway, you have used some unreferenced parameters such as:
Code:
face_t face;
cell_t cell;
Thread *c_thread;
Thread *f_thread;
you have to express how these parameters related to particle pointer (p). Also it's not obvious that why did you use face values instead of cell values?
If it's true to use cell values physically, first assign cell index and it's thread via these commands (and omit 2 face references):
Code:
c=P_CELL(p) 
c_thread=P_CELL_THREAD(p)

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Dear Amir
thank you very much for your supporting every time
I have two questions:
1. have you ever worked with mixture model in fluent. Can I use it for solid-liquid mixture? according to fluent tutorial, I defined a case but my results in heat transfer is overstimate. I guess maybe second phase volume fraction affect results. my total volume fraction is 1%, so, should I insert 0.01 for second phase volume fraction?
2. in DPM model, I don't get the meaning of particle flow rate, in injection tab. when we insert the number of particles, diameter and velocity of particles, what is particle flow rate?I remember one time you told me that it express the different between real particle and computational particle, when we have lots of particles. but I don't know, how compute particle flow rate.
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1. have you ever worked with mixture model in fluent. Can I use it for solid-liquid mixture? according to fluent tutorial, I defined a case but my results in heat transfer is overstimate. I guess maybe second phase volume fraction affect results. my total volume fraction is 1%, so, should I insert 0.01 for second phase volume fraction?
I recommend you not to use mixture model for your case; it's more than that you really need
Note, this is eulerian multi-phase model used for larger volume fractions. As you know, brownian motion of particles play role of diffusion; so, if you want to use eulerian method instead of lagrangian one, I recommend you to use UDS instead of mixture model which is much more simpler and without restriction of volume fraction! Here, you just need to choose proper diffusion coefficient which obtained from brownian motion concepts. But, before switching to eulerian method, note whether this model is proper for your case or not. Indeed, eulerian method is better for nano particle modelling.

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2. in DPM model, I don't get the meaning of particle flow rate, in injection tab. when we insert the number of particles, diameter and velocity of particles, what is particle flow rate?I remember one time you told me that it express the different between real particle and computational particle, when we have lots of particles. but I don't know, how compute particle flow rate.
sorry for long text
Look, when you view a particle path in fluent, it's not related to just 1 particle, it assumes that some other particles follow the 1st one but it doesn't have any effect on solver; i.e., you are seeing a chain of particles which pass the same path. Consequently, the computational number of particles are the number of paths, but the number of real particles are (paths*No per path). This parameter is not used in path finding but it is used for fining particle concentration. You have to set it from your physical model.
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[QUOTE=Amir;320324]I recommend you not to use mixture model for your case; it's more than that you really need
Note, this is eulerian multi-phase model used for larger volume fractions. As you know, brownian motion of particles play role of diffusion; so, if you want to use eulerian method instead of lagrangian one, I recommend you to use UDS instead of mixture model which is much more simpler and without restriction of volume fraction! Here, you just need to choose proper diffusion coefficient which obtained from brownian motion concepts. But, before switching to eulerian method, note whether this model is proper for your case or not. Indeed, eulerian method is better for nano particle modelling.


Hi Amir
this model is part of my project.because low volume fraction, lagrange approach is best for nano particles, but I have to use mixture model for comparison with lagrange model. I read different tutorials and it doesn't seem to be complicated!but my results are over estimate. is there any special point that I should consider?or do you think my flow is granular?
Also, I didn't hear anything about UDS model. is it a part of multiphase modeling?
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also, I know about real and computational particles in DPM. I want to know how calculate flow rate in injection particle inlet?
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Hi Amir
this model is part of my project.because low volume fraction, lagrange approach is best for nano particles, but I have to use mixture model for comparison with lagrange model. I read different tutorials and it doesn't seem to be complicated!but my results are over estimate. is there any special point that I should consider?or do you think my flow is granular?
Also, I didn't hear anything about UDS model. is it a part of multiphase modeling?
thanks alot
Dear Iman,
I've done many projects concerning nano particle distribution and confidently say that UDS is the best way of modelling it because it's applicable to both low and high volume fraction; i.e., I don't agree with you that lagrangian approach is the best tool for nano particle cases!
contrarily, it's the worst tool because of its bugs in computing deposition and dispersion!
Note that UDS (user defined scalar) is just a scalar conservation equation which can be used to evaluate particle concentration in your case (more info in user manual), so if you want to implement eulerian method as a part of your project, you can also use UDS instead of multiphase models.

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also, I know about real and computational particles in DPM. I want to know how calculate flow rate in injection particle inlet?
thank you very much.
You can find particle flow rate form your realistic case; e.g., you may know inlet particle flux or ..... Note that in some lagrangian models, the flow rate which you determined is considered as whole flow rate but in some other considered for each trajectory; I say again that this data won't affect particle trajectories.

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Dear Amir
I read the help of fluent for UDS and unfortunately I didn't get what should I do. do I have to solve the flow for multiphase flow or single phase flow? is just enough to consider coefficient of diffusion in material tab? if you have a simple case file, it would be great if you can send me that until I know what should I do. because I didn't find a proper tutorial for this concept.
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