# DPM mass flow rate

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 May 6, 2013, 04:53 DPM mass flow rate #1 Member   sajeesh Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 13 Hi During iteration it is showing Injecting 1 particles with mass 2.72272e-12 this is not mass flow rate I given mass flow rate as 2.72272 e -9 kg/sec as mass flow rate In the summery result it is showing number as 3.33468 e-1 what is that..some body in DPM field pls help me thanking You Sajeesh

 May 7, 2013, 03:25 #2 Senior Member     Philipp Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 26 Let me guess, your time-step is 1.0e-3, right? __________________ The skeleton ran out of shampoo in the shower.

 May 7, 2013, 03:49 #3 Member   sajeesh Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 13 really thank you for the reply I was stuck in this problem I had given a time step of 0.001 seconds.and number of time step as 1 and start and stop injection i given is 0.001 and 300 sec respectively to ensure the presence of particle Exactly i want to find out the extra hydraulic resistance produced by the presence of one particle in the flow...by measuring the pressure drop difference with particle and without one p[article Thank you sir pls help me

 May 7, 2013, 04:07 #4 Senior Member     Philipp Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 26 You insert 1 particle of mass 2.72272e-12 kg per time step. Your time step is 1.0e-3 s. That gives you a mass flow rate of "2.72272e-12 kg / 1.0e-3 s = 2.72272e-9 kg/s". That's what you want. What is the problem? __________________ The skeleton ran out of shampoo in the shower.

 May 7, 2013, 04:35 #5 Member   sajeesh Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 13 sir mass of one particle is volume of particle x density of particle Diamter of particle is 25 micron Volume 4/3 pi r^3 density is 998 kg/m3 so the mass i calculated for one particle is 8.181e-15 kg Then after that my channel is 2000 um length Then to cover this distance with flow rate of continous phase 50 ul/min ( oil denisty 840 kg/m3) take nearly 0.003 seconds Then mass flow rate i calculated as mass of one particle *number of partcicle(1) /0.003 kg/sec AS you said this makes me wrong Sir can i know what is meant by number of particle in parcel.A method to set the mass flow rate I want to further discuss with you can i get your email id Any way thanks for your replies

 May 7, 2013, 04:42 #6 Senior Member     Philipp Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Germany Posts: 1,297 Rep Power: 26 Maybe your confusion comes from the difference of particles and parcels. Fluent Help (16.12.1.4) says: For typical applications, the computational cost of tracking all of the particles individually is prohibitive. Instead, the approach for the discrete element method is similar to that of the DPM, in that like particles are divided into parcels, and then the position of each parcel is determined by tracking a single representative particle. The DEM approach differs from the DPM in the following ways: The mass used in the DEM calculations of the collisions is that of the entire parcel, not just that of the single representative particle. The radius of the DEM parcel is that of a sphere whose volume is the mass of the entire parcel divided by the particle density. Also: The mass flow rate of your inlet DPM phase has nothing to do with the size of your domain. It is just "injected mass per time step / time step size". __________________ The skeleton ran out of shampoo in the shower.

 May 7, 2013, 05:46 #7 Member   sajeesh Join Date: Feb 2013 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 13 sir Its very helpful for me. During iteration it is showing I particle tracked 1 particle escaped at Some time 3 particle tracked 1 escaped ( ie is it mean two particle remain in the domain) Can i say it as a two particle of my specified diameter 25 micron or parcel. If it is parcel please explain me. some time At the end of iteration it is showing 1 particle tracked and 1 escaped.So it mean that no particle in the domain. Sir one more help how can i animate these particle tracking.Movement of partcle with time In workbench CFD post it is taking only trk files.But how can i get trk file in FLUENT... Thank you.With out your help i may proceed the mass flow rate calculation with domain time Thanks sajeesh

 May 26, 2020, 09:40 #8 New Member   rawaa Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 5 hi i use steady state and dpm . i have 30 kg of sand and the time of abrasion is three hours. how can i calculate the mass flow rate in kg/s if i have im3?? thanks

 May 26, 2020, 09:48 can you help me for this question #9 New Member   rawaa Join Date: May 2020 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 5 hi i use steady state and dpm . i have 30 kg of sand and the time of abrasion is three hours. how can i calculate the mass flow rate in kg/s if i have im3?? thanks