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Old   December 19, 2006, 07:28
Default Turbulence in a pipe flow
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I am trying to model turbulence in a pipe flow. I am using a program which came as an add on to my CAD program. I have a 1 meter long pipe of 10 cm diameter, then a 90 degree bend and then again a 1 meter long pipe (like a right angled lines).

Since, I am experimenting with this program, I introduced a water flow with very high velocity of 25 m/s, that is inlet velocity condition, and a static pressure outlet condition. What I see in the 90 degree bend is, the velocity near the wall is zero. In my experiments, I see the highest velocity in the same position. I can imagine that when a flow of so high velocity comes in a bend after travelling through a long pipe, it will directly hit the wall and turn, something which was well seen in the experiment.

am I missing something in my simulations? I have turbulent flow switched on. I dont know what model is this program using but I saw their documentation and it appears like k epsilon (I mean, well tested model). is the result logical in your opinion?

Thanks once again

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Old   December 19, 2006, 08:58
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Dear Jan,

Just for starters, the mass flow in your pipe seems to be

m_dot = density * mean velocity * area cross section

for water

= 1000 [kg/m^3] * 25 [m/s] * pi * (0.1[m])^2 *.25

= 196.3 [kg/s]

Are we real on this?

On the Reynolds number side,

Re = density * mean velocity * Diameter / dynamic viscosity

= 1000 [kg/m^3] * 25 [m/s] * 0.1 [m] / 855E-06 [N s/m^2]

= 2.92E+6

fairly high Reynolds number.. Do you have the "right" mesh?

Good luck,


PS.. Don't they have support staff? They can probably help you better than we do..
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Old   December 19, 2006, 13:58
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Dear Opaque,

I initially started with a low velocity (5 m/s) and then increased it to 10 and 25m/s. the reason to do so was to see why I have a zero wall velocity when it should be the other way around. but no luck even with higher flowrate. From my mesh side, i have a fairly decend mesh. The support staff are all on vacation (european christmas holidays)

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Old   December 20, 2006, 02:08
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Hi Just to understand your problem better:

1) At the wall the velocity is always zero for viscous flow. Is your velocity zero AT the wall or NEAR (how far away) the wall? Is the velocity zero in the bend or after the bend, and which wall are you refering to (inner or outer wall)? 2) How were your experiments conducted (eg. type of measuring instrument, how far from the wall did you measure, where did you measure relative to the bend)

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Old   December 21, 2006, 04:04
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Can you tell the name of the programme? Is any wall calculator there?
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