CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > General Forums > Main CFD Forum

How is the heat transfer calculated with slip wall condition?

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   December 3, 2015, 13:37
Default How is the heat transfer calculated with slip wall condition?
  #1
New Member
 
NY
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 10
Meng Kong is on a distinguished road
I am simulating indoor room environment using STAR-CCM+ and trying to use slip wall on the far-field wall. But I don't know how the heat transfer is calculated with slip wall condition. Can anybody help me with it? Many thanks.
Meng Kong is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 14:03
Default
  #2
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,769
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng Kong View Post
I am simulating indoor room environment using STAR-CCM+ and trying to use slip wall on the far-field wall. But I don't know how the heat transfer is calculated with slip wall condition. Can anybody help me with it? Many thanks.

what do you mean? if the slip condition is consequent to the assumption of inviscid condition, accordingly you have no conducibility in the fluid
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 15:18
Default
  #3
New Member
 
NY
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 10
Meng Kong is on a distinguished road
Hi Filippo,
Thanks a lot for your help. By meaning slip-wall condition, I mean the velocity close to the wall is not zero. And in this case, my question is how the heat flux between the wall and air is calculated. What do you mean by "no conducibility"?
Meng
Meng Kong is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 15:31
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,769
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng Kong View Post
Hi Filippo,
Thanks a lot for your help. By meaning slip-wall condition, I mean the velocity close to the wall is not zero. And in this case, my question is how the heat flux between the wall and air is calculated. What do you mean by "no conducibility"?
Meng
if the tangential velocity at the wall is not zero then you are assuming the no-viscosity hypothesis...
Working with such model drives to the Euler equations and the no-viscosity assumption for the momentum equation is completed in the energy equation by the absence of heat flux (q = - k Grad T = 0) due to the assumption k=0 everywhere in the fluid.
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 15:38
Default
  #5
New Member
 
NY
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 10
Meng Kong is on a distinguished road
Hi Filippo,
I'm trying to understand your explanation. But if the heat conduction in the fluid is zero, there will be no heat transfer between the wall and air. Am I right? Many thanks.
Meng
Meng Kong is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 15:51
Default
  #6
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,769
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Yes. The assumption for the Euler equation are indeed zero viscosity and zero thermal conductivity.

The first one set no viscous stress the second no heat flux
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 16:00
Default
  #7
New Member
 
NY
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 10
Meng Kong is on a distinguished road
But in my case, I only use "slip-wall" condition on the far-field walls. All the other walls are set as "non-slip wall". And I also checked the results, it turned out that the heat transfer through the air is not zero. Many thanks.
Meng Kong is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 16:15
Default
  #8
Senior Member
 
Filippo Maria Denaro
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 6,769
Rep Power: 71
FMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura aboutFMDenaro has a spectacular aura about
Quote:
Originally Posted by Meng Kong View Post
But in my case, I only use "slip-wall" condition on the far-field walls. All the other walls are set as "non-slip wall". And I also checked the results, it turned out that the heat transfer through the air is not zero. Many thanks.
ok, when you consider viscous conditions, then you cna simply set the condition of balance between heat flux in air (Fourier law) and heat transmission in the wall:

h (T- Tp) = - k Grad T
FMDenaro is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 16:21
Default
  #9
New Member
 
NY
Join Date: Dec 2015
Posts: 6
Rep Power: 10
Meng Kong is on a distinguished road
I may not have explained my question clearly. Actually I did not simulate the heat conduction in the wall. I'm only simulating the fluid field with constant wall temperature and slip-wall condition. I know when we are using non-slip wall condition, the convective heat transfer is calculated according to the boundary layer theory and wall function. But if the wall is set as "slip wall". I do not know how the convective heat transfer is calculated. I hope my explanation makes my question more clear. Many thanks.
Meng Kong is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   December 3, 2015, 18:50
Default
  #10
Super Moderator
 
flotus1's Avatar
 
Alex
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Germany
Posts: 3,399
Rep Power: 46
flotus1 has a spectacular aura aboutflotus1 has a spectacular aura about
For an artificial boundary far away from the region of interest, a symmetry boundary condition is the appropriate choice. For the energy equation this implies that the heat flux normal to the boundary is zero.

The options you have when using a slip wall instead of a symmetry boundary condition depend on the program you are using. We have a CCM+ sub-forum here.
flotus1 is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
slip wall


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
external wall heat transfer ashghan OpenFOAM Pre-Processing 16 October 27, 2015 20:29
Compression stoke is giving higher pressure than calculated nickjuana CFX 62 May 19, 2015 13:32
natural convection mehrdadeng CFX 10 February 25, 2011 05:25
How can I increase Heat Transfer at Domain Interf? B.Simon CFX 3 October 28, 2008 18:53
Convective Heat Transfer - Heat Exchanger Mark CFX 6 November 15, 2004 15:55


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 12:47.