# fvc::reconstruct( ) algorithm

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 July 8, 2010, 04:36 fvc::reconstruct( ) algorithm #1 New Member   Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 3 Rep Power: 15 Hi Foamers, I am trying to figure out how the fvc::reconstruct( ) algorithm works. My first thought was: Sum up the facefluxes multiplied with the facenormal over a cell and divide it by the sum of the magnitude of the facevector components of every face of the cell. The algorithm in the "fvcReconstruct.C" file seems far more complex then my thought: inv(surfaceSum(sqr(mesh.Sf())/mesh.magSf())) & surfaceSum((mesh.Sf()/mesh.magSf())*ssf) The second line is what I expected, but the first line is a little mystery to me. Can anybody explain this to my, please? Rainer fumiya and brucechen like this.

 July 8, 2010, 09:31 #2 Senior Member   David Gaden Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Winnipeg, Canada Posts: 437 Rep Power: 21 Just a guess... it looks like it might be non-orthogonal correction...?

 July 9, 2010, 11:15 #3 Member   Kevin Maki Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ann Arbor, MI, USA Posts: 43 Rep Power: 17 Rainer, I agree with your description. The first line finds one over the square of the components of the area. The second line has the the components of the area in the numerator, so the result is just one over the area times the sum of what ever you are reconstructing. This is what you want for a face-area-weighted average. There is another post by Henry which is relevant here: http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/ope...integrate.html Kevin

 March 16, 2011, 12:27 #4 Member   Sung-Eun Kim Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 76 Rep Power: 17 I am also puzzled by what fvc:reconstruct does. Has anyone here figured what it does? It seems it is not based on any mathematical identity (like Gauss theorem), but some sort of approximation.

January 16, 2012, 12:06
fvc::reconstruct explaination
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Thibault Pringuey
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Hello,

I have had a look at the fvc::reconstruct method. Please find attached an attempt to explain it.

Cheers,

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 January 17, 2012, 04:00 #6 Senior Member   Dr. Alexander Vakhrushev Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 250 Blog Entries: 1 Rep Power: 19 Thibault, excellent! Thank you for you work! Currently I am working on improving my model introducing a reconstruction for them... So hope to find some advantage on using it, will post some general conclusions. __________________ Best regards, Dr. Alexander VAKHRUSHEV Christian Doppler Laboratory for "Metallurgical Applications of Magnetohydrodynamics" Simulation and Modelling of Metallurgical Processes Department of Metallurgy University of Leoben http://smmp.unileoben.ac.at

August 27, 2014, 13:56
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Hi makaveli_lcf,

Did you find any advantage using fvc::reconstruct ?

In my experience, using fvc::reconstruct seems too dissipative? need to find out what cause the dissipation, maybe due to the face-weighted averaging ?

Just curious, did you find anything similar?

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 Originally Posted by makaveli_lcf Thibault, excellent! Thank you for you work! Currently I am working on improving my model introducing a reconstruction for them... So hope to find some advantage on using it, will post some general conclusions.

 July 22, 2015, 23:41 #8 New Member   Xavier Pivan Join Date: May 2015 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 10 Hi Cheng, Did you figure out why renconstruct was too dissipative ? I'm trying to reproduce an experiment with settlingFOAM everything work except that my system dissipate too much and then the velocities are not strong enough. reconstruct might be a start. Thanks

July 26, 2015, 23:11
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There could be several sources of numerical dissipation. To start make sure you have achieved mesh convergence and using 2nd order discretization.

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 Originally Posted by Navip Hi Cheng, Did you figure out why renconstruct was too dissipative ? I'm trying to reproduce an experiment with settlingFOAM everything work except that my system dissipate too much and then the velocities are not strong enough. reconstruct might be a start. Thanks

 September 22, 2015, 05:37 #10 New Member   Michael Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 11 I think that fvc::reconstruct is dissipative because it is first order accurate. It assumes Sum_f n_f ( S_f * u_p) = Sum_f n_f ( S_f * u_f) which is accurate up to irst order. I have another question: What is the difference between the method used to reconstruct the velocity at the cell center from the face center used in fvc::reconstruct and simply calculating it by Sum_f 1/|S_f| phi_f n_f ?

 October 27, 2015, 05:33 #11 New Member   Michael Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 11 I have to add that the fvc::reconstruct is second order accurate for orthogonal grids. It can be seen by a Taylorseries expansion of the face velocity, i.e., U_f = U_c + dU/dx_c delta x + ... and inserting it into the relation sum n_f (S_f * u_c) = sum n_f (S_f * u_f)

 March 16, 2020, 04:39 #12 Senior Member   Dongyue Li Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Beijing, China Posts: 838 Rep Power: 17 1. The fvc::reconstruct() function was used to smooth oscillation by combining usage of fvc::snGrad(). Typically you can write either 1) fvc::grad(p) or 2) fvc::reconstruct(fvc::snGrad(p)*mesh.magSf()). But the result is different. The first method uses a extended stencil whereas the second one employs a compact stencil. Thereafter the oscillation can be avoided by the second one (fvc::reconstruct method). Similar technique can be also found if you think why we discretize the laplacian term as fvc::laplacian() instead of div(grad()). 2. What it do is simply \sum U_p \cdot S_f = \sum phi, the reason you see there is because inv() function cannot handle velocity. 3. The order of it is influenced by the scheme of snGrad function. Therefore, orthogonal grids provide the best accuracy. makaveli_lcf, missios, Huibo and 2 others like this. __________________ My OpenFOAM algorithm website: http://dyfluid.com By far the largest Chinese CFD-based forum: http://www.cfd-china.com/category/6/openfoam We provide lots of clusters to Chinese customers, and we are considering to do business overseas: http://dyfluid.com/DMCmodel.html

 March 30, 2020, 14:48 #13 Senior Member   Tomislav Maric Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Darmstadt, Germany Posts: 284 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 21 The fvc::reconstruct is only second order accurate, if the field that is reconstructed is regular enough to be approximated by Taylor series up to second-order. For example, the velocity at the fluid interface is not regular enough, as it is only C^0 continuous at the fluid interface - it has a kink there - so Taylor series do not apply at the interface. We checked fvc::reconstruct a bit in our latest paper on Level Set / Front Tracking, see section "3.4. Surface tension force reconstruction" in the linked PDF. The error estimate corresponds to the numerical error exactly for a smooth velocity field, and for the velocity field from the Hadamard-Rybczynsky flow, which confirms the estimate. fvc::reconstruct is used in flows with variable density to reconstruct things like the force term resulting from the decomposition pressure into the dynamic and hydrostatic part, or the cell-centered surface tension force source term, cell-centered velocity at the end of the internal iteration, etc. All these fields are not C^2 continuous in multiphase flows. arXiv version of the paper is here OpenFOAM tests for generating convergence data are here. The data from the paper is here. makaveli_lcf likes this. __________________ When asking a question, prepare a SSCCE.

 April 3, 2020, 13:23 #14 Senior Member     Santiago Marquez Damian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Argentina Posts: 452 Rep Power: 23 Hello, we discuss the foundation of fvc::reconstruct and other reconstruction techniques here, https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...21999118301931 please let me now if someone needs a copy. Regards! tomislav_maric, makaveli_lcf and saladbowl like this. __________________ Santiago MÁRQUEZ DAMIÁN, Ph.D. Research Scientist Research Center for Computational Methods (CIMEC) - CONICET/UNL Tel: 54-342-4511594 Int. 7032 Colectora Ruta Nac. 168 / Paraje El Pozo (3000) Santa Fe - Argentina. http://www.cimec.org.ar

April 3, 2020, 13:29
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 Originally Posted by santiagomarquezd Hello, we discuss the foundation of fvc::reconstruct and other reconstruction techniques here, https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...21999118301931 Regards!

Thanks, I wasn't aware of this paper!
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 April 3, 2020, 13:39 #16 Senior Member     Santiago Marquez Damian Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Santa Fe, Santa Fe, Argentina Posts: 452 Rep Power: 23 You're welcome. Big fan of your papers and work. State of the art concerning "spurious currents" in interFOAM Regards! __________________ Santiago MÁRQUEZ DAMIÁN, Ph.D. Research Scientist Research Center for Computational Methods (CIMEC) - CONICET/UNL Tel: 54-342-4511594 Int. 7032 Colectora Ruta Nac. 168 / Paraje El Pozo (3000) Santa Fe - Argentina. http://www.cimec.org.ar

 April 3, 2020, 13:47 #17 Senior Member   Tomislav Maric Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Darmstadt, Germany Posts: 284 Blog Entries: 5 Rep Power: 21 Thanks! Also thanks for the link! I've read your comments there. I agree, everything is interconnected: surface tension model, curvature calculation, p-U coupling (reconstruction as a part of it), there is also the issue of hydrostatic/dynamic pressure decomposition for multiphase flows, as its flux has grad rho at the face center, that's bad for the reconstruction as well... in any case, it's not boring. __________________ When asking a question, prepare a SSCCE.

 April 17, 2021, 10:23 fvc::reconstruct operation #18 New Member   behnamCheraghi Join Date: Feb 2021 Posts: 14 Rep Power: 5 I think that the following link is very useful for understanding the fvc::reconstruct operation: https://github.com/wyldckat/reconstr...te-fields/wiki