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August 9, 2010, 08:15 |
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Hallo Foamers,
according to http://www.me.berkeley.edu/gri_mech/data/nasa_plnm.html there are 7 coefficients that define the material properties (c_p, H, S) for the temperature under 1000 K. When is the therm.dat file used? Am I right, when I claim, that can only be a rough estimation? The jump discontinuity of material properties at the change from liquid to gas phase is not represented exactly only with these 7 coefficients. My second question is about the ...src/thermophysicalModels/liquids/C10H22/C10H22.H file. I think the material properties are calculated with the NSRDS-functions using the parameters in the C10H22.H file. Is this right? c_p is now calculated two times. First in the therm.dat file and second in the liquids folder. What is used when? Please bring some light into the dark. Best regards Markus |
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August 9, 2010, 08:38 |
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They have only been included because the data is there, so why not include it in case it might be needed in the future. Quote:
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whereas the c_p for the gas is calculated using the therm.dat file. |
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August 9, 2010, 11:25 |
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Thank you for answer
You are right, there is no jump discontinuity when the gas phase and the liquid phase properties are determined in the therm.dat respectively in the liquid-folder. I am just confused by Quote:
How is therm.dat file used when I have a 3 component fuel (35% C6H14, 40% C7H16, 25% C10H22)? A parcel represents droplets with the same properties like velocity and temperature. When I have a 3 component mixture a parcel represents the well mixed mixture of these 3 components. The concentrations of the species change not spatial in one parcel but over time, due to different material properties. All conservation equations are calculated for every component. The liquid evaporates and changes to the gas phase. Is now the therm.dat file used or when does the therm.dat takes influence? |
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August 9, 2010, 14:55 |
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yes it is.You say you have 1 species, but that's just the fuel, what about the other species, like N2, O2 etc.
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I can't write it much clearer than that. |
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August 20, 2010, 08:21 |
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In the therm.dat there are only the gas properties of the thermal conductivity c_p, enthalpy H and entropy S calculated. This cant be enough :/ |
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Hii
I am currently working on diselFoam and I was wondering what numbers are given in the liquidProperties section of the C7H16.C, as for others parameter like Cp,Rho etc they seem some numerical coefficients to describe them in terms of temperature as given in link http://combustion.berkeley.edu/gri-m...nasa_plnm.html. but what quantities are given under liquidProperties section? Can anybody Help please? regards Shailja |
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