CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > ANSYS > CFX

Two phase flow simulation in axial flow compressor

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Like Tree1Likes
  • 1 Post By Opaque

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   January 5, 2023, 23:21
Default Two phase flow simulation in axial flow compressor
  #1
New Member
 
Bassam Elsayed
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 4
bassamelsayed is on a distinguished road
Hi everyone,
i have an axial flow compressor model(IGV-Rotor-Stator) undergoes a rain ingestion flow.
i done a dry run (without rain phase) and every thing was successful. when i tried to include the rain phase, i had some troubles.
firstly, i use Eurlian-Eurlian flow simulation with Air as continuous flow and rain as polydispersed flow (MUSIG).
the flow inlet condition is total pressure with Pt=1.13 atm and total temperature Tt=288K.
the outlet condition is totoal mass flow rate mdot=77Kg/s
all other conditions are as per pictures attached.
i was run this simulation since the last Oct. 2022 and most of the runs i face the following issues:
1- Both the two phases has a back flow and the cfx put a wall in % (starting from 100% in decreased with simulation) to prevent the flow either from return to the model in the outlet or escape from the model in the inlet. although this phenomenon did not raised during the dry run.
2-after about (48-52 iterations) the program exit with "Fatal overflow in linear solver."

Kindly if any one can help in this issue either by supporting me with any reference or any solution.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg A.jpg (135.5 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg B.jpg (141.9 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg C.jpg (125.6 KB, 8 views)
File Type: jpg D.jpg (108.3 KB, 11 views)
File Type: jpg E.jpg (116.3 KB, 6 views)
bassamelsayed is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   January 5, 2023, 23:47
Default
  #2
Super Moderator
 
Glenn Horrocks
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 17,703
Rep Power: 143
ghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really niceghorrocks is just really nice
Why are you using a complex multiphase model (MUSIG)? Why isn't a simpler multiphase model appropriate?

What are you trying to get out of this model? Why are you doing it? Of course ingesting rain into a compressor is going to reduce the performance a bit - but what aspect of this are you trying to investigate?
__________________
Note: I do not answer CFD questions by PM. CFD questions should be posted on the forum.
ghorrocks is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   January 6, 2023, 01:26
Default
  #3
New Member
 
Bassam Elsayed
Join Date: Sep 2021
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 4
bassamelsayed is on a distinguished road
Thanks for your feedback, i am doing this simulation in order to get the effect of the deterioration of the compressor due to water ingestion and what is the shifting of the operating line in the compressor map looks like.

The second thing is why is using MUSIG is that i have a several group sizes of water droplets and i can not use the dispersed type because i can not use the mean diameter when i have the actual diameters of the group sizes.
bassamelsayed is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   January 6, 2023, 09:53
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 1,804
Rep Power: 32
Opaque will become famous soon enough
Quote:
Originally Posted by bassamelsayed View Post
Thanks for your feedback, i am doing this simulation in order to get the effect of the deterioration of the compressor due to water ingestion and what is the shifting of the operating line in the compressor map looks like.

The second thing is why is using MUSIG is that i have a several group sizes of water droplets and i can not use the dispersed type because i can not use the mean diameter when i have the actual diameters of the group sizes.
Theoretically, you are correct; however, since you have no experience running multiphase flow, you must take the lowest approximation, i.e. assume the same diameter for all the water droplets.

Once you have fully evaluated the impact of uniform droplets on your models, and you still have a need for a more complex model, you have already gained some experience (with useful results in between) before proceeding to INCREMENTALLY refine your model.
bassamelsayed likes this.
__________________
Note: I do not answer CFD questions by PM. CFD questions should be posted on the forum.
Opaque is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply

Tags
axial flow compressor, cfx multipahse, rain ingestion, two phase eulrian-eularin


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Help sought on axial compressor simulation jyotir OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 0 November 17, 2021 10:49
Error in the unsteady simulation of counter rotating axial compressor stage sushancfdonline CFX 4 September 24, 2021 01:55
CFD Simulation of Axial Flow Fans Vigiikpv Main CFD Forum 0 July 4, 2018 05:55
Three phase flow in pipes simulation Waqas Yaqub Fluent Multiphase 2 May 17, 2017 01:29
two phase flow steady VOF simulation yoyoyona ANSYS 0 March 4, 2012 06:09


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 07:22.