CFX-PRE monitor point... multi-variable arguments for locator based functions

luke84 · November 17, 2011, 08:37

Is it somehow possible to do as the title of the thread reads, and define a multi-variable argument, locator based function?

A little more info:
My simulation involves a jet of fluid, pointing in the X positive direction. Using CFX_PRE V13
I want to find the spread angle of the jet, i.e angle between the majority of the vectors and the vector (1,0,0) (x-positive direction)

So I start with the equation for an angle between 2 vectors:
$\alpha = \text{acos} \left( \frac{\vec{u} \bullet \vec{v}}{\left| \vec{u}\right| \left| \vec{v} \right|} \right)$

where u is the vector (1,0,0) and v is the velocity vector at the mesh locator OUTLET.

since the u vector is fully dercribed in only one direction and is the unity vector, the formula can be simplified to:
$\alpha = \text{acos} \left( \frac{v_{1} }{ \left| \vec{v} \right|} \right)$
*Note; here alpha is actually defining the half spread angle.

This could be set as an expression as follows:
alpha=acos(Velocity u*1 [m s^-1]/(Velocity u^2+Velocity v^2+Velocity w^2))
*Note I multiply with 1 [m s^-1] to keep dimensions consistent.

Now if I set a monitor point as:
massFlowAve(alpha)@OUTLET
I get a error message along the lines of:

"The function 'massFlowAve' referenced in parameter 'Expression Value' in object '/FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/OUTPUT CONTROL/MONITOR OBJECTS/MONITOR POINT:ALPHA_MONITOR' has an invalid argument, 'alpha'. Only arguments that consist of a single recognised variable name are supported by the solver."

As far as I can tell, the problem above basically means that I can only define one variable (e.g Velocity u) and not 2 or 3 variables in the locator based function; massFlowAve().
Note that the exact same method DOES work for me in CFX-POST. Thas is defining the same expression, and using the function calculator.
So does anyone have an idea how to circumvent this problem in CFX-PRE??

Thanks in advance!

stumpy · November 17, 2011, 15:52

There's an easy way to do this... create an algebraic Additional Variable equal to alpha and then use the AV as the argument to the locator based function.

luke84 · November 17, 2011, 16:22

You're right! works perfect. Thanks for the help.

D.B · November 17, 2011, 23:16

Hi,
I tried to do the same, but I am not getting how to define algebric additional variable. I was able to define AV but the problem is I am not getting an option of writing an expression for it or giveing its type as algebric, i searched CFX help but to no avail.

stumpy · November 18, 2011, 10:42

After you create the AV, you need to edit your domain to enable the AV in that domain. It's in the domain settings that you say it's algebraic.

D.B · November 19, 2011, 00:15

Thanks,
Now I am getting it.

jaimesdiegop · February 8, 2015, 20:51

Hi, I really tried to do the same that you posted. I am trying to set a boundary condition in a multi-phase simulation dependent of (Fluid1. Volume Fraction*Velocity v)=VC= my AV, but when I tried to define the boundary condition I got this messaje

"The Additional Variable 'VC' referenced in parameter 'Normal Speed' in object '/FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/DOMAIN

efault Domain/BOUNDARY:top/BOUNDARY CONDITIONS/MASS AND MOMENTUM' is fluid-dependent and therefore requires a fluid prefix."

How can I set a prefix on my AV?

Thank you for your help

yanglu · March 19, 2021, 01:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by jaimesdiegop

Hi, I really tried to do the same that you posted. I am trying to set a boundary condition in a multi-phase simulation dependent of (Fluid1. Volume Fraction*Velocity v)=VC= my AV, but when I tried to define the boundary condition I got this messaje

"The Additional Variable 'VC' referenced in parameter 'Normal Speed' in object '/FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/DOMAIN

efault Domain/BOUNDARY:top/BOUNDARY CONDITIONS/MASS AND MOMENTUM' is fluid-dependent and therefore requires a fluid prefix."

How can I set a prefix on my AV?

Thank you for your help

Hi, I have the same problem. Do you manage to solve this problem?

Thnaks.

Gert-Jan · March 19, 2021, 05:41

In 2015, Diego wanted to evaluate Fluid1.Volume Fraction*Velocity v

I guess this has to be: Fluid1.Volume Fraction*Fluid1.Velocity v

In other words, the variable Velocity v that is evaluated needs to be linked to a defined material, which is Fluid1 in this particular case.

November 17, 2011, 08:37	CFX-PRE monitor point... multi-variable arguments for locator based functions	#1
luke84 New Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	Is it somehow possible to do as the title of the thread reads, and define a multi-variable argument, locator based function? A little more info: My simulation involves a jet of fluid, pointing in the X positive direction. Using CFX_PRE V13 I want to find the spread angle of the jet, i.e angle between the majority of the vectors and the vector (1,0,0) (x-positive direction) So I start with the equation for an angle between 2 vectors: $\alpha = \text{acos} \left( \frac{\vec{u} \bullet \vec{v}}{\left\| \vec{u}\right\| \left\| \vec{v} \right\|} \right)$ where u is the vector (1,0,0) and v is the velocity vector at the mesh locator OUTLET. since the u vector is fully dercribed in only one direction and is the unity vector, the formula can be simplified to: $\alpha = \text{acos} \left( \frac{v_{1} }{ \left\| \vec{v} \right\|} \right)$ Note; here alpha is actually defining the half spread angle. This could be set as an expression as follows: alpha=acos(Velocity u1 [m s^-1]/(Velocity u^2+Velocity v^2+Velocity w^2)) *Note I multiply with 1 [m s^-1] to keep dimensions consistent. Now if I set a monitor point as: massFlowAve(alpha)@OUTLET I get a error message along the lines of: "The function 'massFlowAve' referenced in parameter 'Expression Value' in object '/FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/OUTPUT CONTROL/MONITOR OBJECTS/MONITOR POINT:ALPHA_MONITOR' has an invalid argument, 'alpha'. Only arguments that consist of a single recognised variable name are supported by the solver." As far as I can tell, the problem above basically means that I can only define one variable (e.g Velocity u) and not 2 or 3 variables in the locator based function; massFlowAve(). Note that the exact same method DOES work for me in CFX-POST. Thas is defining the same expression, and using the function calculator. So does anyone have an idea how to circumvent this problem in CFX-PRE?? Thanks in advance!

November 17, 2011, 15:52		#2
stumpy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 531 Rep Power: 21	There's an easy way to do this... create an algebraic Additional Variable equal to alpha and then use the AV as the argument to the locator based function. Mazze[ITA] and aero_head like this.

November 17, 2011, 23:16		#4
D.B Member DB Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 87 Rep Power: 15	Hi, I tried to do the same, but I am not getting how to define algebric additional variable. I was able to define AV but the problem is I am not getting an option of writing an expression for it or giveing its type as algebric, i searched CFX help but to no avail. __________________ -D.B

November 19, 2011, 00:15		#6
D.B Member DB Join Date: Apr 2011 Posts: 87 Rep Power: 15	Thanks, Now I am getting it. __________________ -D.B

February 8, 2015, 20:51		#7
jaimesdiegop New Member Diego Jaimes Join Date: Feb 2015 Posts: 8 Rep Power: 11	Hi, I really tried to do the same that you posted. I am trying to set a boundary condition in a multi-phase simulation dependent of (Fluid1. Volume FractionVelocity v)=VC= my AV, but when I tried to define the boundary condition I got this messaje "The Additional Variable 'VC' referenced in parameter 'Normal Speed' in object '/FLOW:Flow Analysis 1/DOMAINefault Domain/BOUNDARY:top/BOUNDARY CONDITIONS/MASS AND MOMENTUM' is fluid-dependent and therefore requires a fluid prefix." How can I set a prefix on my AV? Thank you for your help hellowqy and Gita like this. Last edited by jaimesdiegop; February 9, 2015 at 11:18.*

November 17, 2011, 16:22		#3
luke84 New Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 2 Rep Power: 0	You're right! works perfect. Thanks for the help.

November 18, 2011, 10:42		#5
stumpy Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 531 Rep Power: 21	After you create the AV, you need to edit your domain to enable the AV in that domain. It's in the domain settings that you say it's algebraic.

March 19, 2021, 05:41		#9
Gert-Jan Senior Member Gert-Jan Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Europe Posts: 1,835 Rep Power: 27	In 2015, Diego wanted to evaluate Fluid1.Volume FractionVelocity v I guess this has to be: Fluid1.Volume FractionFluid1.Velocity v In other words, the variable Velocity v that is evaluated needs to be linked to a defined material, which is Fluid1 in this particular case.

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