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Old   April 17, 2016, 13:30
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Hello To every One

Dear friends I am trying to study local scour around bridge pier and I have tried many differend boundary conditions but I can get logic results my question are
1- I want to set my inlet boundary condition as Inflow ,and I did that also I gave the height of fluid .
2- out let boundary condition pressure with the same height of fluid.
3- fluid region from covers the whole model also I set hydrostatic pressure .
4-i activated all parameters (like sediment scour ,renormalized viscosity, gravity z=-9.8, density
5- fluid density 1000 ,and (viscosity constant =0.001) .
6-i defined my sediment body as packed sediment
but I don't have scour what is the problem can you please tell me??or at least if some has a model just send me your prepn file I will really appreciate it .
one last question what is the unit of finish time is it second ??
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Old   April 19, 2016, 07:47
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finish times unit is second in SI. I think you should change your shields number its really important maybe you do not estimate it correctly because it was my problem and when I change that my problem was solved.
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Old   April 19, 2016, 12:26
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We have recently partnered with Friendship Systems for geometry optimization and parametric studies using the software CAESES. For sediment scour modeling, parameters like Shield's Number can be determined using CAESES. Once you have the correct value of Shield's Number from CAESES optimization, you can use that value for your case study.

In fact, we used CAESES internally with a sediment scour problem and got excellent results.
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finish times unit is second in SI. I think you should change your shields number its really important maybe you do not estimate it correctly because it was my problem and when I change that my problem was solved.
Dear Maryamm thank you very much for your reply you are right I didn't knew my critical shields number but no I know but the problem is I don't have flow happening I think so please can you answer me these two quick questions

1- what's you boundary conditions .
2- do you insert you whole model in the in calculation or you are using symmetry .
3-is defining the particles important or not what does particles are for in physics .
and lastly if you send me your (prepin) it will be a very big favor for me .
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We have recently partnered with Friendship Systems for geometry optimization and parametric studies using the software CAESES. For sediment scour modeling, parameters like Shield's Number can be determined using CAESES. Once you have the correct value of Shield's Number from CAESES optimization, you can use that value for your case study.

In fact, we used CAESES internally with a sediment scour problem and got excellent results.
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Thank you very much I will try that and let you know about the results thanks again
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Dear Maryamm thank you very much for your reply you are right I didn't knew my critical shields number but no I know but the problem is I don't have flow happening I think so please can you answer me these two quick questions

1- what's you boundary conditions .
2- do you insert you whole model in the in calculation or you are using symmetry .
3-is defining the particles important or not what does particles are for in physics .
and lastly if you send me your (prepin) it will be a very big favor for me .
your welcome. I use flow-3d 11 version you can not open it with 10 version but in this photo you can see my model boundary condition. particle is my big problem but with out that you can do your simulation.my model was a small model and I insert hole model but you can insert hole model with 2 size of meshing I did not try and not sure about symmetry.model1.jpg
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Old   April 24, 2016, 14:33
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your welcome. I use flow-3d 11 version you can not open it with 10 version but in this photo you can see my model boundary condition. particle is my big problem but with out that you can do your simulation.my model was a small model and I insert hole model but you can insert hole model with 2 size of meshing I did not try and not sure about symmetry.Attachment 46858
Thank you very much Maryammm
actually at the university we have a work station computer and they installed Flow-3D version 11.1 so if you send me your prepin file I can benefit from it really ,I know its not so common but I want to see all the parameter maybe I am having trouble is some where else and I can share my results with you .
thanks again and Best Regards
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Thank you very much Maryammm
actually at the university we have a work station computer and they installed Flow-3D version 11.1 so if you send me your prepin file I can benefit from it really ,I know its not so common but I want to see all the parameter maybe I am having trouble is some where else and I can share my results with you .
thanks again and Best Regards
sorry I could not upload my own model but you can see this prepin file in:
http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/flo...ent-scour.html
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sorry I could not upload my own model but you can see this prepin file in:
http://www.cfd-online.com/Forums/flo...ent-scour.html
thanks u again you have been very helpful
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your welcome. I use flow-3d 11 version you can not open it with 10 version but in this photo you can see my model boundary condition. particle is my big problem but with out that you can do your simulation.my model was a small model and I insert hole model but you can insert hole model with 2 size of meshing I did not try and not sure about symmetry.Attachment 46858
dear maryamm
can i ask you question
i have two problems
1- sediment grain size is more than **
** 10% of mesh cell size **
** higher ratio of mesh cell size to **
** grain size is recommended
2- if i use big time step value give me error
how can i make simulation for 2 hours with small time step
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dear maryamm
can i ask you question
i have two problems
1- sediment grain size is more than **
** 10% of mesh cell size **
** higher ratio of mesh cell size to **
** grain size is recommended
2- if i use big time step value give me error
how can i make simulation for 2 hours with small time step
i'm not maryam ) but i will answer U
1) first problem does not important at all
But if you want to solve it, U can choose a bigger mesh in sediment part
2) in Tab general, define a little time! for example 10 seconds
and after the simulation start to work, go to the Run time option
and change it to whatever U want!! for example 10000 and then click to send to solver
this make your problem easily solve

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Thanks a lot
I will try your advise
Thanks for your help
Can I ask you again about the time step
I will change it or not for big time simulation
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your welcome. I use flow-3d 11 version you can not open it with 10 version but in this photo you can see my model boundary condition. particle is my big problem but with out that you can do your simulation.my model was a small model and I insert hole model but you can insert hole model with 2 size of meshing I did not try and not sure about symmetry.Attachment 46858
Dear maryammm to me your boundary condition can be better by changing in "Y" condition...... my dissertation was about local scour and my research is still on it. I think it should be define as "Symmetry condition".
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i'm not maryam ) but i will answer U
1) first problem does not important at all
But if you want to solve it, U can choose a bigger mesh in sediment part
2) in Tab general, define a little time! for example 10 seconds
and after the simulation start to work, go to the Run time option
and change it to whatever U want!! for example 10000 and then click to send to solver
this make your problem easily solve

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Dear hanif
pardon me because of my notice, you can not change your time and set it on what ever you want. the time is very important and the right answer is mostly dependent on time because regardless of other part of the SCOUR problem, the equilibrium time plays an important role in local scour. so you should calculate your time with the equations which are related to the balance time
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Dear hanif
pardon me because of my notice, you can not change your time and set it on what ever you want. the time is very important and the right answer is mostly dependent on time because regardless of other part of the SCOUR problem, the equilibrium time plays an important role in local scour. so you should calculate your time with the equations which are related to the balance time
its a trick to reduce the time step size not the entire scour time
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