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June 21, 2017, 16:30 |
Equations of State for Water in FLUENT
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Adam Freund
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HI All,
I am currently constructing a "flow over sphere" scenario that required a Re of ~10. I have the box with sphere set up but I need an equation of state that best fits water. I am a novice to the entire program and I am finding it difficult to choose the correct EoS. Thank you for any help you can provide I am deeply appreciative. |
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June 21, 2017, 17:41 |
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Hello!
Reynolds number for your problem is very little, and so is the freestream velocity. One should use eos for compressible fluids if M>0.6 (for example, ideal gas eos). That means for your problem it is enough to use incompressible fluid eos. Regards! Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 21, 2017, 17:51 |
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June 22, 2017, 00:32 |
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What do you want to find out with this calculation? Maybe the pressure on the wall or stresses? Boundary layer separation? Is it a tutorial for you? Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 22, 2017, 01:06 |
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June 22, 2017, 07:04 |
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You can investigate how eos choice influences the flow pattern for such low velocity value. There must be no difference between these regimes. Why do you think there are reasons for superliquid helium to show compressibility effects? Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 22, 2017, 10:35 |
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June 22, 2017, 15:36 |
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Is it possible for you to conduct an experiment with such low velocity? Remember, that for experiment one should model not only Re, but also M. Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 22, 2017, 15:46 |
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Or do you mean the superliquid helium is always compressible (with no dependence on the conditions)? I'm not specialized in such special fluids as yours Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 22, 2017, 16:30 |
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These metal particles are micrometer-sized in both experiments with the ambient temperature of the helium experiment at ~2K and 298K for the water experiment. From the images taken from the experiments, we have determined that the Re should be around 10. We also know that both fluids are compressible as we use shadowgraph imaging to visualize the effects these particles have in the fluid. In Fluent, I have constructed a box containing a sphere (all micrometer-sized) with liquid flowing from an inlet on one face of the cube projecting fluid onto the sphere. I hope this information helps and thank you for your insight. |
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June 24, 2017, 16:44 |
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Water IS compressible, but to show its ability to compress in a flow around a body you need to accelerate the stream velocity to 0.6 Mach number or more. That is 900 m/s. Your velocity value is muuuch lower, so the incompressible model will work fine. Sent from my C6903 using CFD Online Forum mobile app |
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June 26, 2017, 13:34 |
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June 26, 2017, 15:46 |
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In fluent choose constant density in properties of the material.
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June 27, 2017, 23:18 |
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Ok I'll try that. Sorry to ask again but which equation of state should I use? (e.g. Redlich-Kwong) |
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June 28, 2017, 03:10 |
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June 28, 2017, 13:23 |
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June 28, 2017, 16:10 |
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July 17, 2017, 16:00 |
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Sorry to bother you again. I have finished running the simulation and it was successful but now the focus of the simulation has changed. How would you model super-cavitation of a sphere moving at 1500m/s in water at room temperature? Which equation of state would you choose and would you make the water compressible? |
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July 21, 2017, 09:20 |
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