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January 7, 2008, 08:38 
Viscous resistance coefficients in porous medium

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Fluent manual tell us that, for laminar flow through a fibrous mat, we can calculate the viscous resistance coefficients using BlakeKozeny equation, and ignore the inertial resistance. In my question, the dimension of the geometry is micro scale, so the viscous resistance coefficient is up to e10. In this condition, I can't obtain the good result compared with the experimental one. However, when I change the the viscous resistance coefficient to a higher value, for example, e10, the results can be well agreement with the experimental one. Hope someone can tell me what leads to this, and how to calculate the viscous resistance coefficient in porous medium. Thanks in advance.


August 12, 2009, 06:19 
Viscous and Inertial Resistances

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The viscous and inertial resistances to flow in a porous medium can be calculated from the Ergun equation, which gives the total pressure drop through a porous medium.
Check any book on fluid mechanics for the Ergun equation Total pressure drop = Viscous loss + inertial loss dp/dl = [150*mu*(1e)^2/phi^2*D^2*e^3]*v + [1.75*rho*(1e)/phi*D*e^3]*v^2 The first term is the viscous loss (proportional to velocity) and the second term is the inertial loss (proportional to velocity squared). Compare this to the Fluent's expression for momentum sink: dp/dl = Rv*mu*v + (Ri/2)*rho*v^2 This gives the values for Rv and Ri, Rv = [150*(1e)^2/phi^2*D^2*e^3] Ri = [2*1.75*(1e)/phi*D*e^3] Nomenclature: Rv: Viscous resistance Ri: Inertial resistance mu: Viscosity rho: Density e: Porosity of the medium phi: Sphericity of the particles making the medium (can assume 0.75) D: Diameter of particles making the medium v: Average velocity 

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Hello,
always keep in mind, that Fluent requires the input of 1/a, where a is the permeability you get from your BlakeKozeny equation. In other words, you have to insert the inverse of a for each direction in your porous zone. In your case a=1e6 > 1/a = 1e+6 what is exactly the correct value as you found out at least. cheers 

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Hi,
You are right. Resistance is the inverse of permeability. It is normally in the range of 1e+6 to 1e+10 m2. 

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Dear SRJP
could you please explain from where I can find diffrent values for phi ,Sphericity ? while i compared with some eurgen equation but i didn`t find this term , I am modelling prouse media in kiln and i need to clculate it, thank you in advance , maryam 

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Hi,
The Ergun equation assumes that the bed is filled with uniform sized and shaped particles. The sphericity parameter is used as a conversion factor for nonspherical particles (comparing the surfacevolume ratio of those particles to an equivalent spherical particle). Of course, for fully spherical particle, the sphericity = 1. Sphericity = (6/Dp)/(Sp/Vp) Dp = Diameter of the particle Sp = Surface area of the particle Vp = Volume of the particle For 'not so crazy' shapes, like sand particles, you can use sphericity around 0.8  0.9. Complete list of sphericity values can be found in "Perry's Chemical Engineers Handbook", or "Unit Operations of Chemical Engineering by McCage, Smith and Harriot" or similar books. 

June 1, 2011, 23:50 
ceramic membrane

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Hi,
i am working in modeling of ceramic membrane with 19 channel.i want to know what mesh i must use for best result.then i must export that geometry to fluent and solve it by porous zone and multiphase flow. thank you so much 

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It should be noted that the porous domain calculation in Fluent is an approximate one: It just adds a momentum sink in 3 directions due to the inertial and viscous resistance.
The mesh type will depend on the accuracy, convergence and speed of the simulation. If not difficult, better to go with high quality hex meshes. 

June 14, 2011, 15:08 

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hi.
I'm trying to model a micro filtration membrane(MF), are these parameters useful for a filter or a membrane?! and, in porous media approuch via fluent, we should set this two parameters for X,Y direction!!! can we set Ri and Rv from this equations for X,Y direction?? best regards zohreh 

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hi.
I'm trying to model a micro filtration membrane(MF), are these parameters useful for a filter or a membrane?! and, in porous media approuch via fluent, we should set this two parameters for X,Y direction!!! can we set Ri and Rv from this equations for X,Y direction?? best regards zohreh 

June 21, 2011, 05:27 

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Yes,
You can still use the porous zone model for the membrane, since the membrane is porous anyway. If the membrane is homegeneous and symmetric, you can use the same resistance values in all directions (x,y and z). If not, you may have to calculate the porosity and permeabilities separately in the three directions. This would be the case on the regular asymmetric ultrafiltration and reverse osmosis membranes. 

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dear srjp
thanks a lot for your answer, I want to model a micro filter, This filter (membrane) is rectangular (10×5 cm) with the thickness 12e5. so,I calculate this parameters from Ergun equation which D=1e6, because of the Micro filter type. is this assumption true?? i think this is very thin filter so there in not flow through in the membrane, in this situation is inertial coefficieant higher in Y direction? or not?when i set ydirection inertial coefficient higher than xdirection got better answer! is this resonable? I am looking forward to hearing from you. Sincerely yours. 

November 26, 2011, 18:10 
asphaltene precipitation

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can i modelling asphaltene precipitation that exist in crude oil by uusing ceramic filter monolit by defult formolation in fluent? i want to modelling separation of asphaltene from crude oil by 19channel ceramic filter,but i think it is not define in FLUENT that precipitate asphaltene on surface of ceramic channel base on diffrences between pore size. i must write UDF for this porpuse or not? most of oil flow must pass through the membrane wall and most of asphaltene must form a gellayer and precipitation on inner surface od channel. please help me as soon as possible thank you so much 

November 26, 2011, 18:46 
asphalteene

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can i modelling asphaltene precipitation that exist in crude oil by uusing ceramic filter monolit by defult formolation in fluent? i want to modelling separation of asphaltene from crude oil by 19channel ceramic filter,but i think it is not define in FLUENT that precipitate asphaltene on surface of ceramic channel base on diffrences between pore size. i must write UDF for this porpuse or not? most of oil flow must pass through the membrane wall and most of asphaltene must form a gellayer and precipitation on inner surface od channel. please help me as soon as possible thank you so much hi, 

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hello, thank's for this explanation of the viscous resistance equation,
but i have a question : we know that: viscous resistance=1/absolute permeability, but in the multiphase flow: viscous resistance= 1/effective permeabiliy , or viscous resistance=1/absolute permeability, i need an answer please. 

April 25, 2013, 11:03 
Simulating Flow over Porous Medium

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Hi, I have the data from the flow over a bundle of tubes (in the context of a bundle of tubes at the bed of the channel). I was thinking of using the Ergun equation as in the ANSYS manual to calculate the viscous and inertial resistance, where the the tube diameter = diameter of particle, to create a macroscopic simulation of the flow in FLUENT, however, I haven't been able to obtain a similar velocity profile.
Is this valid? Please give me some advice. Thank you and tell me if I should provide more information. 

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Is the flow across the pipes or along the pipes? This will change the diameter to be used. Also, ergun equation is only for spherical particles, for cylinders, you may have to use the appropriate sphericity.


July 18, 2013, 11:32 
Hydraulic conductivity of porous zone

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Hi,
I am trying to model a 2D porous zone filled with sand lied above a perforated pipe and water will pass through it. I have some queries, hope someone can help me out. 1) Porous zone should have a definite hydraulic conductivity(K). But in fluent, I didn't find any input button for this. Does inertial and viscous resistance represent the inverse of K in fluent? If yes, should I calculate the resistance value by the formula provided above for X and Y direction both or only for y direction since flow is in Y direction? 2)If not, then how can I assign K value? Thanks in advance. 

July 28, 2013, 13:21 

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@Tanjina
Viscous resistance is actually the inverse of permeability value and it's regarding to resistance exerted to flow by porous media. As far as I know, there's nothing about hydraulic conductivity in modeling porous zone, but, if you mean the heat conductivity of the porous material, it should be defined by a UDF,due to anisotropic behavior of porous solid.
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July 29, 2013, 11:33 
twophase porous zone

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Thank you very much for your reply. Yup, I also come to know that in fluent, we use permeability . And permeability is related to Hydraulic conductivity. Do you have any experience about modeling of two phase flow in porous zone? Please let me know. 

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