
[Sponsors] 
September 6, 2008, 14:15 
NonNewtonian Power Law for Viscosity

#1 
Guest
Posts: n/a

I am trying to set viscosity to nonnewtonian power law for nonnewtonian liquid. In the materials panel, the drop down list does not show nonnewtonian power law (it shows constant, piecewise linear, piecewise polynomial, polynomial, power law, sutherland, kinetic theory and user defined).
32.3.15 of the user manual states that I should be able to select nonNewtonian power law and then set consistency index, power law index, reference temp, and min & max viscosity limits. Please advise how I can access the nonnewtonian power law function? 

September 7, 2008, 06:19 
Re: NonNewtonian Power Law for Viscosity

#2 
Guest
Posts: n/a

Hi John,
I think you have selected viscous model as turbulent..please change to laminar. Non newtonian models are available with only laminar viscous models. 

September 25, 2008, 01:36 
Re: NonNewtonian Power Law for Viscosity

#3 
Guest
Posts: n/a

There is no model that can be used for viscosity as we need nonNewtonian power law. To enable the model, issue the text user interface command as:
define/models/viscous/turbulenceexpert/turbnonnewtonian> Enable turbulence for nonNewtonian fluids? [no] yes 

July 15, 2014, 05:46 

#4 
New Member
Kirill
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 12 
I began to learn the Ansys Fluent and the first task for me  the determining the pressure drop in pipe with nonnewtonian fluid.
The Flow mode  turbulent. I found your post about opportunity to switch turbulence for nonnewtonian fluid! "To enable the model, issue the text user interface command as: define/models/viscous/turbulenceexpert/turbnonnewtonian> Enable turbulence for nonNewtonian fluids? [no] yes" Can you tell me how to go to the text user interface command mode? Many thanks! 

July 15, 2014, 09:49 

#5  
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
Quote:
Enter commands in the command window; you have to type define and press enter, then type models and press enter, and so on. Daniele 

July 16, 2014, 03:49 

#6 
New Member
Kirill
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 12 
Many Thanks for help!
Now I will try to use this option to calculate the flow in the pipe. Thanks! 

November 26, 2014, 08:44 

#7 
New Member
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 12 
I have done the above described thing.
But i couldnot found power law model in models my intention is to calculate the velocity differences for dilatant and pseudoelastic fluid. thanks in Advance 

September 6, 2015, 10:34 
Help please

#8 
New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 10 
Hello guys!!! i also have some problems with the non newtonian power law.
First of all i have to specify that I m a beginner in fluent. I have a Pipe with non Newtonian fluid inside i do not have the lenght of my geometry but my fluid is fully developed (that means that the pipe should be pretty long to have this condition right?) Well i draw my geometry and than i start to use fluent whe i define material and i put "waterliquid" than i select "viscosity> Non newtonian power law" and then i should have minimun and maximum viscosity, but i don't, and i really don't know which kind of values i have to put and in which way i can ceck if they will be correct or not?Can you help me please? Thanks. 

September 11, 2015, 08:02 

#9 
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
Hi,
when you chose the power law viscosity for a non newtonian fluid you have to enter the following inputs: consistency index (k): it is a measure of the average viscosity of the fluid power law index (n): it represents a measure of the deviation of the fluid from Newtonian lower limit viscosity eta(min): if the calculated viscosity is lower then eta(min), viscosity will be eta(min) upper limit viscosity eta(max): if the calculated viscosity is greater then eta(max), viscosity will be eta(max) If it is temperature dependant, also: reference temperature (T0) Power law viscosity is defined as: eta(min)<eta=k*gamma(dot)^(n1)*exp(T0/T)<eta(max) gamma(dot) is the shear rate. What you call minimum and maximum viscosity are eta(min) and eta(max). The panel for power law for non temperature dependant viscosity should be as the attached image.
__________________
Google is your friend and the same for the search button! 

September 11, 2015, 17:22 

#10 
New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 10 
Hi,
Many thanks for the answer I agree with the minimun but the problem is with the maximum i mean i don' t know where i have to stop:What i mean, i can try with 1000 e my max will be lower or i can try with 100 and the max will be exactly 100 and never happen that the calculated viscosity is greater then the max. I think that is a convergence problem...but i really don't have any clue how to get it! I hope that you can help me. Thanks in advance. 

September 12, 2015, 03:20 

#11 
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
Viscosity is an input parameter, so you must know its equation: lower and upper limits, as you may know, defines the newtonian behaviour of the nonnewtonian fluid in that ranges (eta<eta(min), eta>eta(max)).
If you don't have lowerupper limits just input 0 for the lower limit and a high value for the upper limit, greater than the maximum viscosity you expect. If you don't know what will be the maximum expected viscosity just input a very high value, 1e10 for example.
__________________
Google is your friend and the same for the search button! Last edited by ghost82; September 12, 2015 at 05:47. 

September 12, 2015, 05:19 

#12 
New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 10 
I m sorry but i still have some doubts.
Maybe i was unclear so i will explain you better : I have to investigate the velocity and pressure and Temperature profile of my NON Newtonian fluid in a tube with some elements inside(they have the own temperature that is different to the initial temperature and close to them the viscosity will decrease). Well. I know the D of my pipe and the position of each elements and i know that The length is infinite(but obviously i have to define by myself) and i even know that before of my elements i need to have fully developed flow. I know Re(for non Newtonian fluid of course) so i can calculate the initial velocity. I draw my geometry in gambit (i decide to fix 1m of lenght ) then when i open fluent and i want define the material i have all parameter except the range of viscosity: min viscosity:i agree with your explanation max viscosity : i have to find the right values, because i think that i can 't use one general values i mean my profile will change (and i saw it) every time that i modified the range,that's why i was asking how can i know the maximum? i tried to calculate the velocity profile with a normal tube(without elements) and maybe find the one that could be better ..but the problem is that better compare to what? and than if in the simple one whatever values of viscosity i choose fluent work, in the other case with really big range fluent show me an error Of divergence. maybe now that you have all the details for you will be more clear. thanks again 

September 12, 2015, 05:37 

#13 
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
Yes I understand.
The fact is that the eta(max), as the eta(min), is not "to be found", but it must be measured by experimental tests: you must know if, when and where your non newtonian fluid behaves as a newtonian fluid. Of course when you change the limits viscosity can change (see attached picture). But you can't input "random" values for these limits, the limits must to be known by experimental.
__________________
Google is your friend and the same for the search button! 

September 12, 2015, 05:58 

#14 
New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 10 
ok i got your point , but the problem is that i don't have the opportunity to get the values with experimental test because mine is a kind of little project for my career ...so i just need to know how can i choose properly the max...


September 12, 2015, 06:02 

#15 
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
This is a problem
You can't run a simulation if you don't know your inputs. If you can't perform tests with a viscosimeter, I suggest to search in scientific literature to find the shear rate/viscosity curve of your fluid, or find a curve of another fluid which can be approximated to yours. What is the fluid you are simulating?
__________________
Google is your friend and the same for the search button! 

September 12, 2015, 06:08 

#16 
New Member
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 7
Rep Power: 10 
I don't have a real fluid ..i mean i know that the density of my fluid is the same of the water..and that's it...so even if i want to search something in literature i can t ....


September 12, 2015, 06:18 

#17 
Senior Member
Rick
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 1,016
Rep Power: 26 
mmmmmm.....let's start over....
You have a pipe and a non newtonian fluid flowing in that pipe. You want that this fluid has a power law viscosity, and you want also that the density of this fluid is 1000 kg/m3. But, if you are not defining a fluid (you are saying that you haven't a real fluid?) what is the goal of this simulation? It's ok that you want to simulate a not real fluid, it's quite common: but if it isn't a real fluid you must fix its properties. If you don't know what is the fluid/properties how can you get velocity/pressure and temperature profiles?these will change with properties!!! Again, if you want to simulate a generic non newtonian fluid with density of water and power law viscosity, search in scientific literature for a curve approximating the fluid you are searching.
__________________
Google is your friend and the same for the search button! 

Thread Tools  Search this Thread 
Display Modes  


Similar Threads  
Thread  Thread Starter  Forum  Replies  Last Post 
CFX non newtonian power law fluid  Mehmet SORGUN  CFX  4  October 13, 2013 10:25 
Star CCM+ issue (VOF and Non newtonian power law)  Sam  Siemens  3  January 23, 2009 07:39 
new parameter for non newtonian power law model!  Antoine  FLUENT  0  July 21, 2008 04:30 
non newtonian power law  dana mahfouz  FLUENT  0  October 4, 2005 09:21 
NonNewtonian power law fluids  Tim  Phoenics  0  September 17, 2003 16:08 