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March 23, 2005, 03:39 
y+ value calculation

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How do we calculate the "y+ value" to assign boundary thickness? help me out in this. BV 

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March 23, 2005, 14:40 
Re: y+ value calculation

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I will tell you the way that I do it. I use:
y=14*(y+)*(viscosity/(density*velocity)) Then I assume that y+ is about 75 and solve for y, where y will be my first cell layer thickness. This is actually the formula for a flat plate, but gives a pretty good estimate for other geometries also. The thing to remember is that you need to keep units the same. So if you use SI for the fluid properties, then the y value will be in meters, etc. Tom 

March 24, 2005, 06:05 
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Thanks Tom


March 24, 2005, 12:02 
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A more generic approach to calculation of Y+ can be outlined as follows:
Step1: Workout 'k' nased on estimate of local velocity magnitude 'u' and tubulent intensity 'I' (k=1.5*(u*I)**2, I ~ 0.01 Step2: Esimate turbulent dissipation rate 'epsilon' based on 'k' and turbulent mixing length 'L' (usually of the order of 0.01*Hydraulic Diameter) where epsilon= (0.09)**3/4 X k**1.5/L (0.09 is an empirical constant) Step3: Work out tubulent coeff of viscosity 'mu_ee' which is equal to 0.09*density*k**2/epsilon Step4: Estimate wall shear stress (tau_wall) based on assumed velocity profile (appropriate wall law) i.e. tau_wall = (mu_tee + mu_lam)* du/dy Step5: Workout u_star Step6: Finally, estimate Y from definition of Y+ assuming Y+ ~ 35 (in case viscous sublayer to be resolved and Y+ 30~50 in case only turbulent zone is to be resolved. (Note that this estimation of Y would be based on CELLCENTROID location and not cell thickness). Hope this will help! Amod Kumar PS: Some FLUENT tutorials for example such as developing turbulent flow in pipe do suggest empirical formula to calculate Y+. However, I have not come across similar expression in STARCD. Has anyone come across ADAPCO recommendation to calculate Y+? 

March 24, 2005, 14:18 
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I believe the FAQ section on adapcoonline has basically the same explanation.


March 24, 2005, 23:11 
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Yes Pauli, it has been rephrased (alongwith some recommendation about I & L)from the info available at
http://www.adapcoonline.com/adapco_...vices/faq.html I forgot to give this link. Amod 

April 11, 2005, 09:05 
about y+

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respected sir
i want to get some information about y+. why is this y+ important? how do u define y+ in mixing length CFD solver? why ke turbulence model is better than mixing length model. explain me clearly about both these models, and y+ 

April 13, 2005, 13:11 
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Not an easy series of questions to answer. Simply, y+ determines which wall boundary conditions exist. Some texts state the near wall boundary is laminar if y+<= 11.63. The analysts have two ways to go  design the mesh to give the y+ to suit your model, or if you can not do that, choose your turbulance model and wall treatment to suit your y+. y+ is defined by the thickness of your subsurface. To determine what y+ is after the run, you must specify that the code print y+ values. Then do a getw,yplus then do a wall plot (wplot). The mixing length for y+ is usually set as one order of magnitude smaller than the hydraulic diameter. I would suggest the text Turbulence Modeling for CFD by David Wilcox. Tom


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