CFD Online Logo CFD Online URL
www.cfd-online.com
[Sponsors]
Home > Forums > Software User Forums > Siemens > STAR-CCM+

y+ value ~1 question

Register Blogs Community New Posts Updated Threads Search

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
Old   September 2, 2016, 01:13
Default y+ value ~1 question
  #1
New Member
 
Edward Kraft
Join Date: Dec 2014
Posts: 11
Rep Power: 11
ekraft is on a distinguished road
So the wall function I'm using requires a y+ value to be as close to 1 as possible. If my max y+ after simulation is around .02, does that change my results significantly than if my max y+ was lets say 0.9? Does the closer max y+ is to 1, the better the results, or as long as my max y+ is less than one, I'm good to go? Thank you.
ekraft is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 7, 2016, 10:07
Default
  #2
New Member
 
Xiaosong Zhang
Join Date: Oct 2014
Posts: 14
Rep Power: 11
jsb12136 is on a distinguished road
Your results will not be accurate considering your y+ is .02. You should make it around 1 as possible as you can. Y+ is a function describing the distance of first node from the wall. The y+ value is a non-dimensional distance (based on local cell fluid velocity) from the wall to the first mesh node. To ensure that y+ values are not so large that the first node falls outside the boundary layer region. If this happens, then the Wall Functions used by our turbulence model may incorrectly calculate the flow properties at this first calculation point which will introduce errors into our pressure drop and velocity results.In addition to the concern about having a mesh with y+ values that are too large, you need to be aware that if the y+ value is too low then the first calculation point will be placed in the viscous sublayer flow region and the Wall Functions will also be outside their validity. To be short just make it around 1.
jsb12136 is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 8, 2016, 07:57
Default
  #3
Senior Member
 
Gajendra Gulgulia
Join Date: Apr 2013
Location: Munich
Posts: 144
Rep Power: 13
ggulgulia is on a distinguished road
Hi Edward,

as far as I remember, the y+ values should be selected based on the flow regime. If your flow is laminar throughout, then you must make sure that the y+ values lies within 1 to 10 and if the flow is turbulent, then it should be in the range of 10 to 300. You need to tune the mesh accordingly for each case.

In each case you can select the All Wall model for turbulent schemes when you select the models. This is a hybrid model that takes care of the near wall flow resolution.

Thanks
ggulgulia is offline   Reply With Quote

Old   September 8, 2016, 19:33
Default
  #4
Senior Member
 
Lane Carasik
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 692
Rep Power: 14
lcarasik is on a distinguished road
Quote:
Originally Posted by ekraft View Post
So the wall function I'm using requires a y+ value to be as close to 1 as possible. If my max y+ after simulation is around .02, does that change my results significantly than if my max y+ was lets say 0.9? Does the closer max y+ is to 1, the better the results, or as long as my max y+ is less than one, I'm good to go? Thank you.
I'd highly recommend taking some time and research wall functions for turbulence models and how to apply them properly. The specific thing I believe is relevant to research is "integrating to the wall" for turbulence models.

Quote:
as far as I remember, the y+ values should be selected based on the flow regime. If your flow is laminar throughout, then you must make sure that the y+ values lies within 1 to 10 and if the flow is turbulent, then it should be in the range of 10 to 300. You need to tune the mesh accordingly for each case.

In each case you can select the All Wall model for turbulent schemes when you select the models. This is a hybrid model that takes care of the near wall flow resolution.
Please be very careful applying the all wall y+ model. It still has it's own range of acceptable y+ values for your near wall region cells. Additionally, a lot of models in Star-CCM+ do not have the functionality of the all wall y+ model..
lcarasik is offline   Reply With Quote

Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Question about symmetry in Autodesk Cfd 2016 ecto Autodesk Simulation CFD 0 October 20, 2015 04:16
small question about the functionalities of topological changes in OpenFoam ngj OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 2 February 28, 2013 10:02
Question Re Engineering Data Source imnull ANSYS 0 March 5, 2012 13:51
internal field question - PitzDaily Case atareen64 OpenFOAM Running, Solving & CFD 2 January 26, 2011 15:26
Poisson Solver question Suresh Main CFD Forum 3 August 12, 2005 04:37


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 03:43.